Dave,
You make good points, and you've already hugely contributed and continue
to contribute to Ham Radio, so I don't mean to question you. But if the
FCC agent does not consider us Hams a bunch of squabbling children, I
guess we are lucky. We sure look that way to me. I am deeply
disappointed
When does the FCC publish that a group of squabling HAM's claimed it was
illegal according to agent 3820 of the FCC? Because that is what started it...
And why would you advise other HAMS to not use ROS, when this is not based on
any HAM radio related argument, and not based on ROS being
AA6YQ comments below
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of J. Moen
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:11 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Statement on Withdrawal of Support for ROS
(K3UK Sked Pages)
Dave,
And think real hard next time before calling the FCC. Ham radio was the
net loser in this episode. We are already viewed as squabbling children
at the FCC, and this type of episode just reinforces that view of
amateur radio.
AMEN.
Jim - K6JM
- Original Message -
From: Alan
I disagree. We are required to determine whether a mode is legal before
using it. The author initially described ROS as being spread spectrum. Part
97 precludes the use of spread spectrum on HF, but gives no clear definition
of spread spectrum. The FCC bears responsibility for this lack of
Well, I was going to start using ROS on UHF and maybe occasionally on HF and
let the K3UK decision and other chips fall where they might.
However, the ARRL just released a statement indicating that the author of the
software has lied to the amateur community about the legal status of his
Ok hang on
I just read the statement. Doesn't it say that use of spread spectrum is
not permitted below such and such a band. However I see reasonably no
different a spread spectrum exists to the USB /lsb/ 20m packet, amtor/
pactor etc etc i.e. 2.4khz or less (and AM is that very wide )
Well said Alan
I agree, going to the FCC anytime is marching the hobby one step closer to
the grave.
From: Alan Barrow ml9...@pinztrek.com
Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:06:56 -0500
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Statement on
Somehow in the last generation or so, we have lost the ability to understand
the meaning of some words. Lie is one of them. It has become a catchall for
honest mistake, difference of opinion, misunderstanding, etc. Or perhaps
there is an inability to to consider someone could be acting with
... considering legal action ... has an apparent plan ... may have
understandably frustrated Jose
---
So as far as I understand it the developer with a Spanish temperament is
understandably frustrated by actions of some people making baseless fuss.
Baseless since the FCC position is
WELL SAID
73 de
Ron W4LDE
On 3/3/2010 10:36 AM, pd4u_dares wrote:
... considering legal action ... has an apparent plan ... may have
understandably frustrated Jose
---
So as far as I understand it the developer with a Spanish temperament
is understandably frustrated by actions of
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Toby Burnett ruff...@... .. But to
be honest I don'' t think I shall bother too now as there seems much to much
grief happening from this.
Like I say, it seemed a fair experimental mode but it is wider than ..
It'd be nice to see something other than
Marc,
I'm not saying that, I'd be happy to support ROS and I do think it's a
rather good experimental mode. Ok so it is wide but as I said experimental
I think Jose did a fantastic job of making a software package for a
completely new type of ham radio mode. BUT,
The debate is getting out
pd4u_dares wrote:
... considering legal action ... has an apparent plan ... may have
understandably frustrated Jose
I really have mixed feelings about how this all played out as well.
While I don't agree with ban lists, I can see where the software author
could get very frustrated at what
In spite of temperaments (my roots are spanish somewhere in the past) it
has gone to extremes it never should have got even near to. Statements
like FCC will have to pay me to see my code, the threat of legal
action to someone who just was looking for his own spectrum management
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Toby Burnett ruff...@... wrote:
The debate is getting out of hand (period)
I think we can all agree on that, so let's stop it here. And let's go on with
our hobby.
Though I have some doubts that there actually was a debate. There have been
arguments as
I really don't think there any ROS haters. ROS is a mode that is fun
to use and works well. There may be some who complain that it interferes
with the NCDXF beacon network, but the suggested frequency was then
moved upward, in the true spirit of cooperation.
However, there is a misconception
pd4u_dares wrote:
Though I have some doubts that there actually was a debate. There have been
arguments as in all debates. But the figurative meaning of the arguments
was getting the overhand over the literal meaning of arguments in a
debate...HIHI
Marc, on many occasions I have had to
Oh ja... someone raises a supposed illegality, and Jose changed the discription
BECAUSE of that SUPPOSED illegaly. And he is to blame... I think all of us are
to blaim for this flaming thread. No one excluded.
So let's continue betatesting since we do not know if it illegal or not, in the
pd4u_dares wrote:
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Toby Burnett ruff...@... .. But to
be honest I don'' t think I shall bother too now as there seems much to much
grief happening from this.
Like I say, it seemed a fair experimental mode but it is wider than ..
It'd be nice to see
Alan Barrow wrote:
And think real hard next time before calling the FCC. Ham radio was the
net loser in this episode. We are already viewed as squabbling children
at the FCC, and this type of episode just reinforces that view of
amateur radio.
And so it was in the UK over the endless debates
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote:
I really don't think there any ROS haters.
Me neither, just using a hyperbole to prevent it becomes that cae in the future.
And ur right, Jose has done a good programming job in a short time so far. The
rest of his REactions are
Gang:
I am out of here for now, will try again in a month when the smoke settles..
Fred
CIW649/VE3FAL
CFARS Member
SATERN Member
SATERN Amateur Radio Liaison Officer
DEC Amethyst District ARES
Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page
Pst! Marc! Uh, 'scuse me but the only one uttering such thoughts thus far
is
YOU. No one else, just YOU. You might want to cool down the dramatics and
take a breath, less you attract others with the same flair and end up creating
a
self-fulfilling prophecy.
Howard W6IDS
Richmond, IN
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