Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-07 Thread Carles Fernandez
Hi there, for those folks interested in GPS (and Galileo) signal processing with USRP+DBSRX and GNU Radio related stuff, please take a look at the publications available at http://gnss-sdr.org/documentation/publications We use three VOLK-based correlators for GPS L1 and five for Galileo. An

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-06 Thread Ian Buckley
Ruoyu, Buying a commercial Iridium antenna is, I'm sure, an ideal solution for your work. If the antenna is entirely passive (i.e it has no LNA and filter built in) then it will still pick up frequencies outside the band of interest. And, though attenuation will increase as these environmental

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-06 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 09/06/2013 03:33 PM, Ian Buckley wrote: Filters will all to some degree attenuate your signal of interest, but by how much varies dramatically depending on the type and design of the filter, it could be 0.5dB or 20dB, but the point is that it attenuates potential interferers and noise by

[Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Chi
Hi, All I am working on a project which requires to receive signals from LEO satellites like orbcomm and iridium. I tried to use USRP N210 to collect the data, but I found the signal may be too weak to be observed. Stuffs I used: 1. USRP N210, DBSRX2 800-2400MHz 2. *Minicircuit* cable

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Sylvain Munaut
Hi, 1. USRP N210, DBSRX2 800-2400MHz 2. Minicircuit cable amplifier, provides 37 dB gain at 15V/0.68A supply input. To ensure signal is enough enhanced, I used two of them in recent experiments. 3. Horn antenna with frequency range from 0.8 - 18 GHz. beamwidth 60 degree. You probably want

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Sylvain Munaut
Hi, I would rate GPS as invisible, with normal receiver technology. They are using a low bitrate, spreaded over a very large frequency range. The only way to see something should be correlating and decoding the stuff. I've actually seen it without de-spreading during a presentation recently.

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras
I've actually seen it without de-spreading during a presentation recently. Of course it had been received with a 25 m dish or so :) Yep, brute forced it should be possible :-) Not really the same like with UMTS or LTE... Ralph. ___

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Vanush Vaswani
What is the difference between the receiver tech in something like a CSR chip vs USRP? On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras ra...@schmid.xxxwrote: I've actually seen it without de-spreading during a presentation recently. Of course it had been received with a 25 m dish

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Jean-Michel FRIEDT
apparently someone else was at OHM ... i had not seen the trick of squaring the GPS signal to get rid of the phase modulation and hence the spread spectrum to only recover the doppler shift elsewhere: looks like a great trick to validate the reception of a GPS signal even below thermal noise

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Sylvain Munaut
Hi, apparently someone else was at OHM ... Yes :) i had not seen the trick of squaring the GPS signal to get rid of the phase modulation and hence the spread spectrum to only recover the doppler shift elsewhere: looks like a great trick to validate the reception of a GPS signal even below

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Sylvain Munaut
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Vanush Vaswani van...@gmail.com wrote: What is the difference between the receiver tech in something like a CSR chip vs USRP? Just because you can't see the signal of a FFT doesn't mean you can't demodulate it ... Cheers, Sylvain

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Marcus Müller
This is like a hard comparison; you can't really compare the two. Howver, both have an ADC. GPS receivers usually have correlator banks to detect the signal, yielding a large processing gain by effectively using half eternity of energy. On 04.09.2013 16:38, Vanush Vaswani wrote:

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Ian Buckley
Ruoyu, First off, Singapore is a very noisy place (From a radio perspective), so you are going to have to pair any external low noise amplifiers with appropriate filters for your signals of interest. It is vital that none of the components in the radio signal chain receivers too much power

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Mark McCarron
The majority of thermal noise enterimg the receiver is from the antenna and the path to the LNA. Freeze the antenna and this path, then you may be able to see GPS. Lookup the formula for MDS and it will give you an idea of the temperature you need. Then select a coolant. Thermal noise is

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Sylvain Munaut
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Vanush Vaswani van...@gmail.com wrote: What is the difference between the receiver tech in something like a CSR chip vs USRP? CSR chip ? Cheers, Sylvain ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 09/04/2013 10:56 AM, Marcus Müller wrote: This is like a hard comparison; you can't really compare the two. Howver, both have an ADC. GPS receivers usually have correlator banks to detect the signal, yielding a large processing gain by effectively using half eternity of energy. Well,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to use USRP to detect and collect weak satellite signals

2013-09-04 Thread Vanush Vaswani
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SiRF On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Sylvain Munaut 246...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Vanush Vaswani van...@gmail.com wrote: What is the difference between the receiver tech in something like a CSR chip vs USRP? CSR chip ? Cheers,