Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC Dependency?

2023-03-26 Thread Douglas Foster
The real quirk is that Microsoft is using ARC for something for which it was never intended. I am open to fixing ARC to support what they want to do, but their current implementation only exposes how easily an attacker can misuse ARC to "authenticate" his own stuff. If ARC is to be used to add

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC Dependency?

2023-03-26 Thread Douglas Foster
Welcome back, Hector. ARC has important differences from ATPS. ARC allows a forwarder to request trust from an evaluator, depending upon the level of trust that the evaluator is willing o grant to the intermediary. The originator is not involved. The evaluator may be able to use ARC data to

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC Dependency?

2023-03-26 Thread Douglas Foster
Seth, your link led me to this link: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/office-365-security/email-authentication-dmarc-configure?view=o365-worldwide#how-microsoft-365-utilizes-authenticated-received-chain-arc Which says, "Microsoft 365 currently utilizes ARC to verify

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC Dependency?

2023-03-26 Thread Hector Santos
Wouldn’t it be far easier to add the trusted 3rd party domains in some DNS table or lookup, ala an ATPS-like protocol? The RFC5322 ARC overhead is horrendous. Never mind the complexity evolved to implement. > On Mar 24, 2023, at 7:17 PM, Seth Blank wrote: > > Microsoft is using ARC quite

[dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Mar 26 06:00:04 2023

2023-03-26 Thread John Levine
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