Re: [dmarc-ietf] Example of Indirect Mail Flow Breakage with p=reject?

2023-04-16 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 3:58 PM Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > 1. Cousin domains. We all get that dmarc doesn’t touch those. Dmarc is to > stop spoofing of exact domains. There are other technologies and methods > whose responsibility it is to track down and take down fraudsters. > The claim was

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs

2023-04-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
Hector Santos skrev den 2023-04-17 05:06: Anyway, there are far too much waste in electronic mail, ADSP/DMARC and this quest to resolve its issues, creating more junk, ARC, is not getting anywhere. ?, spamassassin 4, do something, i use fuglu in prequeue smtpd postfix, works for me atleast,

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs

2023-04-16 Thread Hector Santos
On 4/16/2023 8:43 PM, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: Hector, respecfully, I disagree with several of your points. * You seemes to be saying that when spf fails then usually dkim fails, too. I’ve seen first hand that’s nit true. Yes, most of the times. The exceptions are the true forwards. It's

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs

2023-04-16 Thread Hector Santos
On 4/15/2023 6:53 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: I only know a handful of mailing lists, and they all do From: rewriting. Some took years to adapt, but eventually adapted. Are there any who don't? Since 1996, wcListServer. I agree lists may also refuse participation and require posters to

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs

2023-04-16 Thread Neil Anuskiewicz
> On Apr 15, 2023, at 6:56 AM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > >  >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, at 10:24 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Friday, April 14, 2023 10:31:33 PM EDT Jesse Thompson wrote: >> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, at 7:17 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> > > The Sender's users being denied

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs

2023-04-16 Thread Neil Anuskiewicz
 > On Apr 15, 2023, at 7:29 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >  > >> On April 15, 2023 12:26:16 PM UTC, Laura Atkins >> wrote: >> On Apr 15, 2023, at 4:25 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > ... >>> Or [person] gets a Gmail account for his IETF work and doesn't bother >>> tilting at >>> windmills. >>

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs

2023-04-16 Thread Neil Anuskiewicz
> On Apr 15, 2023, at 7:29 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >  > >> On April 15, 2023 12:26:16 PM UTC, Laura Atkins >> wrote: >> On Apr 15, 2023, at 4:25 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > ... >>> Or [person] gets a Gmail account for his IETF work and doesn't bother >>> tilting at >>> windmills.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs

2023-04-16 Thread Neil Anuskiewicz
On Apr 15, 2023, at 7:52 AM, Hector Santos wrote:On Apr 14, 2023, at 7:31 PM, Dotzero wrote:On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 5:55 PM Hector Santos isdg.net> wrote:Yes, it is simple DeMorgan’s Theorem where you use short-circuiting logic.DMARC says that any FAIL calculated via SPF or DKIM is an overall

[dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Apr 16 06:00:04 2023

2023-04-16 Thread John Levine
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