Thanks.  I am subscribed.   Based on the written charter, is re-introducing 
then ESMTP add-on,

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-santos-smtpgrey-02
Reasonable?  Many years of operation, the ultimate two questions are:

1) Do greylistng servers support responses to drive greylisted clients? and
2) Do rermote clients honor the advanced response for Retry Times?

The above is an example only.  Another is ATPS re-introduction for a 
DMARC-based world.

<g>

All the best,
Hector Santos



> On May 10, 2024, at 1:53 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy <superu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> A new IETF WG has been formed in the Applications and Real-Time Area. For
> additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chair.
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> Mail Maintenance (mailmaint)
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> Chairs:
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> 
> Assigned Area Director:
>   Murray Kucherawy <superu...@gmail.com <mailto:superu...@gmail.com>>
> 
> Applications and Real-Time Area Directors:
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> Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-mailmaint/
> 
> Internet Messaging (“email”) is one of the oldest applications still
> supported by the IETF.  It consists of numerous layers and extensions that
> support the robust construction, transport, retrieval, and interpretation of
> messages.
> 
> (For the purposes of this charter, “email” starts in RFC 5321 which covers
> transport and RFC 5322 which covers message format, and extends into
> specifications based on those documents and their antecedents.  It also
> includes related protocols such as IMAP [RFC 9051] and JMAP [RFC 8620, et
> seq].)
> 
> >From time to time, new work in the email space is brought to the IETF for
> consideration and development.  Where there is enough critical mass to create
> a working group to develop and publish the work, this is the preferred case. 
> More often, however, a proposal is brought that lacks enough critical mass to
> independently support chartering of a working group, but would still be
> useful to publish as a standard.  Such projects must then either seek the
> assent of an Area Director willing to sponsor it as a standards track
> document, or support via the Independent Stream Editor (ISE) without
> standards track status.
> 
> The MAILMAINT (“Mail Maintenance”) working group will consider projects in
> the email space that are too small to warrant construction of a dedicated
> working group.  This will take advantage of a common community to consider
> these proposals rather than forming a series of disparate but related
> communities.
> 
> Work proposed for MAILMAINT may arrive via direct proposals, or it may be
> referred via one or more DISPATCH-style working groups.  Recorded Calls for
> Adoption are required for all work proposals.
> 
> Proponents of work that is not taken up within the IETF may, of course,
> decide to bring their proposal to the Independent Stream.  The working group
> should discuss such proposals with the ISE and share the results of the
> working group’s consideration.
> 
> Further, MAILMAINT will observe the following constraints when considering
> the adoption of new work directly:
> 
> * Prior to accepting any Standards Track document for development, there must
> be a commitment to implement the resulting proposed standard from at least
> two independent parties, as recorded on a related IETF mailing list.
> 
> * When deciding to send any Standards Track work to the IESG, there must
> first be produced a report documenting at least two (preferably more)
> independent implementations with at least partial interoperation based on the
> developed specification.
> 
> * The above constraints do not apply to documents that are not intended for
> the Standards Track.
> 
> * Chartering of a dedicated working group with a custom charter is strongly
> preferred when engaging any work that updates any base email documents,
> including but not limited to those identified above.
> 
> All work will be announced to appropriate non-WG lists such as ietf-822,
> ietf-smtp, ietf-dkim, etc., at the time a Call For Adoption or Working Group
> Last Call begins.
> 
> Standards work being taken up by MAILMAINT should be checked with other
> relevant areas (mainly Security) to confirm appropriate oversight or possible
> assignment to that area.
> 
> Milestones will be used to track all approved work, including during
> chartering and rechartering.
> 
> Milestones:
> 
>   Jul 2024 - Call For Adoption of draft-dweekly-wrong-recipient
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