Re: [dmarc-ietf] list history, Signaling MLMs

2023-04-15 Thread Wei Chuang
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 1:40 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On April 15, 2023 8:17:41 PM UTC, John R Levine wrote: > >> I'm assuming that the "long list of stinky possible workarounds" are > the existing "whatever" mitigations, and rewriting seems to be acceptable > enough as a mitigation to

Re: [dmarc-ietf] list history, Signaling MLMs

2023-04-15 Thread Hector Santos
On 4/15/2023 4:39 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On April 15, 2023 8:17:41 PM UTC, John R Levine wrote: I would like a pony, too. But ARC is as good as we have now and after a decade of beating our heads against the wall, I don't think we're going to find anything better. I've suggested a bunch

Re: [dmarc-ietf] list history, Signaling MLMs

2023-04-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On April 15, 2023 8:17:41 PM UTC, John R Levine wrote: >> I'm assuming that the "long list of stinky possible workarounds" are the >> existing "whatever" mitigations, and rewriting seems to be acceptable enough >> as a mitigation to convince large [enterprise] mail systems to move forward

Re: [dmarc-ietf] list history, Signaling MLMs

2023-04-15 Thread John R Levine
I'm assuming that the "long list of stinky possible workarounds" are the existing "whatever" mitigations, and rewriting seems to be acceptable enough as a mitigation to convince large [enterprise] mail systems to move forward with restrictive policies. ... I think you are greatly

Re: [dmarc-ietf] list history, Signaling MLMs

2023-04-15 Thread Jesse Thompson
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023, at 12:07 PM, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Jesse Thompson said: > >Why not turn off rewriting on this list, as an experiment? The hypothesis is > >that everyone will switch to Gmail and not tilt > >at IETF, but instead they will tilt at their domain owners. > >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] list history, Signaling MLMs

2023-04-15 Thread John Levine
It appears that Jesse Thompson said: >Why not turn off rewriting on this list, as an experiment? The hypothesis is >that everyone will switch to Gmail and not tilt >at IETF, but instead they will tilt at their domain owners. That's how we got here. A lot of IETF participants use mail systems