[dmarc-discuss] DMARC and mailing lists

2014-08-24 Thread Nicolás via dmarc-discuss
Hi! I'm new to DMARC, I configured it just a bunch of days ago, and even that I think it's a great idea, I'm worried about its limitations over mailing lists. I've read the FAQ http://www.dmarc.org/faq.html#r_2 about this, and I'm not quite clear about what can I do to avoid DMARC checkings

Re: [dmarc-discuss] DMARC and mailing lists

2014-08-24 Thread John Levine via dmarc-discuss
Some on this list will argue that update is a wrong word, though. I would certainly agree with that. There's a summary of all the mitigation techniques I know here: http://wiki.asrg.sp.am/wiki/Mitigating_DMARC_damage_to_third_party_mail If I've missed any, drop my a line and I'll send you a

Re: [dmarc-discuss] DMARC and mailing lists

2014-08-24 Thread Matt Simerson via dmarc-discuss
On Aug 24, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Nicolás via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: Hi! I'm new to DMARC, I configured it just a bunch of days ago, and even that I think it's a great idea, I'm worried about its limitations over mailing lists. I've read the FAQ about this, and I'm not

Re: [dmarc-discuss] DMARC and mailing lists

2014-08-24 Thread Larry Finch via dmarc-discuss
On Aug 24, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Matt Simerson via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: On Aug 24, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Nicolás via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: Hi! I'm new to DMARC, I configured it just a bunch of days ago, and even that I think it's a great idea,

Re: [dmarc-discuss] DMARC and mailing lists

2014-08-24 Thread Matt Simerson via dmarc-discuss
On Aug 24, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Larry Finch via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: On Aug 24, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Matt Simerson via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: On lists you don't manage, there is little you can do besides pester the list operator and ask them to

Re: [dmarc-discuss] DMARC and mailing lists

2014-08-24 Thread Dave Crocker via dmarc-discuss
On 8/24/2014 4:20 PM, Matt Simerson via dmarc-discuss wrote: And the argument that it eliminates phishing is just wrong. Yes, and your straw man is wearing no clothes. I stated that phishing abuse for *my* domains has been *reduced* in both volume and There is an important difference between

Re: [dmarc-discuss] DMARC and mailing lists

2014-08-24 Thread Matt Simerson via dmarc-discuss
On Aug 24, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 8/24/2014 4:20 PM, Matt Simerson via dmarc-discuss wrote: DMARC only blocks phish *from* domains that publish strong DMARC policies to receivers that validate and enforce those strong policies. That statement is