Re: [dmarc-discuss] What is the end goal of DMARC?

2018-10-10 Thread Dotzero via dmarc-discuss
I'm going to follow up on John's comments, giving my perspective as someone who has been a participant in the dmarc.org team from the beginning. Again, my personal perspective. On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:17 PM John Levine via dmarc-discuss < dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org> wrote: > In article

Re: [dmarc-discuss] What is the end goal of DMARC?

2018-10-10 Thread Shal F via dmarc-discuss
Jonathan, > For example, one poster claimed that no "mailbox provider" should ever > be using "p=quarantine" or "p=reject" in their DMARC policy. This > confuses me. If the mailbox providers, ... are not expected to be able > to definitively assert which emails claiming to be from them are >

Re: [dmarc-discuss] What is the end goal of DMARC?

2018-10-10 Thread John Levine via dmarc-discuss
In article <963257f9-0f6b-516b-59ea-b72852a4d...@quantopian.com> you write: >I thought the goal of DMARC was that eventually the maintainer of every >domain on the internet that shows up in the From: line of email messages >will be able to reliably tell the rest of the internet which of those

[dmarc-discuss] What is the end goal of DMARC?

2018-10-10 Thread Jonathan Kamens via dmarc-discuss
This is a spin-off from the thread I started yesterday about p=none vs "p=reject; pct=0". I thought the goal of DMARC was that eventually the maintainer of every domain on the internet that shows up in the From: line of email messages will be able to reliably tell the rest of the internet

Re: [dmarc-discuss] "p=none" vs. "p=quarantine; pct=0"

2018-10-10 Thread Mark Rousell via dmarc-discuss
On 09/10/2018 23:37, John Levine via dmarc-discuss wrote: > In article <24dd5bc1-ca89-473c-9d11-cb712504c...@akamai.com> you write: >> p=none -> “we’re trying to figure out if we’re going to be able to go to >> p=quarantine” >> >> If you treat quarantine differently than none, you’re sending me

Re: [dmarc-discuss] "p=none" vs. "p=quarantine; pct=0"

2018-10-10 Thread Mark Rousell via dmarc-discuss
On 09/10/2018 15:59, Jonathan Kamens via dmarc-discuss wrote: > I see people behaving badly here in both directions. In my opinion, > servers that do message forwarding should rewrite headers for DMARC > compliance whenever there is a DMARC policy, not just when the policy > is *p=quarantine* or

Re: [dmarc-discuss] "p=none" vs. "p=quarantine; pct=0"

2018-10-10 Thread Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss
On 10/10/18 01:02, Payne, John via dmarc-discuss wrote: I believe that p= should trigger “special handling” if there is any to be triggered. p=none is semantically different from the record not existing, but it’s being treated the same. It is an important characteristic of the current

Re: [dmarc-discuss] "p=none" vs. "p=quarantine; pct=0"

2018-10-10 Thread Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss
On 10/10/18 03:28, Payne, John via dmarc-discuss wrote: p=none -> “we’re trying to figure out if we’re going to be able to go to p=quarantine” While that's undoubtedly true in many cases, it's certainly not true in all, and the spec does not make this assumption. If you treat quarantine