One thing I didn't see mention unless I missed it, is customer service. To me
that weights a lot more than just the specs of the rig. I remember the days of
National, Collins, Drake & the REAL Ten-Tec & you got a good rig with very
excellent customer service. There are some really nice rigs on
Bill,
I know you are tired of waiting, so get out of the way? I'm ready for my K4...
--
73, William KT5TE
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 10:34:43 PM CDT Bill Johnson wrote:
> I prefer those who are tired of waiting, give up so if your in front of me,
> I will move up! Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> Have a
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Well said Dave
I am a rig tragic like you and many others.
I have always got to buy and try all the newest rigs and then move them on
if I am not that smitten.
My current rigs/keepers are a K3 (2008 vintage), TS890, Omni 6+, Orion 2
(three
Blasphemer...
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
On 6/9/21 4:38 PM, Richards wrote:
as if Elecraft is all good and without fault
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Mr. Brown and a few others repeatedly claim Yaesu rigs cause all sorts
of noise, yet fail to substantiate or provide serious proof beyond
quoting Rob Sherwood NC0B who,. purportedly, has a neighbor with a noisy
FT3000, and mentioning early FT1000s which Yaesu eventually fixed along
the way.
You need to go back and read what I wrote.
On 6/9/2021 6:14 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft wrote:
Wes I don’t know about your K3 except mine has both a Mic and Headphone jacks
on the front left hand side :)
Skip Davis, NC9O
Sent from my iPhone
With the top tier radios all being so good, what interests me is how my head
feels after a few hours of picking out signals.
73
Josh W6XU
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:03 AM, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
>
> the K4 SOUNDS so much better than any K3. The K4 audio
> is just SO CLEAN
, 2021 12:02 AM
To: Doug Person
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up
Doug,
You didn't mention what rig you are going to buy instead. Be sure to be aware
of its limitations before you buy it.
For example, the FTdx101MP has three show-stoppers (for a CW op like me),
despite
>>>the FTdx101D will blur the dits together...John K7FD<<<
This morning I've tried replicating the issue with my straight key sending dits
as fast as I can (~23 wpm), a bug at something over 40 wpm, and by hooking up a
paddle as cootie (not a cootie user myself). On the cootie, that fastest
It appears to sense the spacing within each character sent. If manually sent CW
is over 22 wpm…and the spacing is close enough…the FTdx101D will blur the dits
together. The letter ‘H’ turns into a long dash. No other radio I have here
(thirteen) does this. I recorded spectrum scope videos on a
On 6/9/21 at 3:01 AM, n...@arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) commented:
The narrow DSP filters (down to 50 Hz) also seem to work so much better in
the K4 than the narrow 250 or 200 Hz crystal filters in the K3 -- no
ringing.
I frequently run my K3 with a 250 Hz crystal filter and the DSP
at 50 or
rig will not key properly with a sideswiper key. Dits merge becoming a
solid dash over 22 wpm...
John K7FD<<<
How does it know you're using a cootie? I exceed 22 wpm with a straight key or
a bug, sometimes operating 35wpm and higher the latter with no probs. Straight
key, cootie,
Wes I don’t know about your K3 except mine has both a Mic and Headphone jacks
on the front left hand side :)
Skip Davis, NC9O
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For me, there are two more FTdx101D CW operator show stoppers.
Fourth show stopper: CW sidetone is not a pure tone. T8 not T9.
Fifth show stopper: rig will not key properly with a sideswiper key. Dits merge
becoming a solid dash over 22 wpm.
Yaesu is aware of both issues. I was told to go
On 6/9/2021 12:01 AM, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
As for comparing the K4 to the K3, despite the K3's "superior" numbers in
the Sherwood table, the K4 SOUNDS so much better than any K3. The K4 audio
is just SO CLEAN compared to the K3, which makes a big difference when a
pileup calls. That quality
Doug,
You didn't mention what rig you are going to buy instead. Be sure to be
aware of its limitations before you buy it.
For example, the FTdx101MP has three show-stoppers (for a CW op like me),
despite it's impressive numbers in the Sherwood table:
- Poor QSK performance (the clicking
Well said Dave
I am a rig tragic like you and many others.
I have always got to buy and try all the newest rigs and then move them on
if I am not that smitten.
My current rigs/keepers are a K3 (2008 vintage), TS890, Omni 6+, Orion 2
(three of those !), SunSDR2DX.
Been and gone rigs include the
On 6/8/2021 12:25 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
Not so, Doug.
My K3, including accessories and filters, was $4,500 in 2007. That's
$5,722 in today's dollars.
A K4 with all its advanced technology at $4,600 (your quote) is a steal
compared to a K3.
The word "expensive" can be applied to the K4
On 6/8/2021 12:49 PM, George Thornton wrote:
I think it is correct to say the basic k4 does not exceed the K3 raw
performance (based on the Sherwood engineering standard)
Paraphrasing the late Dick Heyser, trying to define a product on the
basis of a single parameter is like trying to write
I have kind of given up, too. I did a no deposit order just about this time
2 years ago. I recently bought an IC-7610. I guess I'll see what I will do
when they call me to tell me my order is ready.
John N1JM
Wes Stewart-2 wrote
> Except the OP gave up on waiting.
>
> I did too. I haven't
Except the OP gave up on waiting.
I did too. I haven't cancelled my no-deposit K4 order, but I turn 80 later this
year and I wanted a new radio before then. So I bought a TS-890S. It too is a
single-receiver box. But, I'm two away from top of the Honor Roll and have
9-band DXCC all from
Performance simply is not the issue here.
Elecraft has made a marketing decision to market one radio and it is priced
in the middle of the Ham-consumer pack with other radios with similar
performance. They have opted to skip the entry-level market (like Icom with
the 7300 that you can get for
My FTdx010d has no problems.
Carl Yaffey K8NU
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
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> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Wes wrote:
>
> Except all of that
Except all of that has been fixed in later offerings.
On 6/8/2021 10:47 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 6/8/2021 3:00 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote:
FTDX10 which sounds like a good value for money.
Except that Yaesu radios have a long history of generating nasty clicks, and
have more recently
Gilbert
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up
Except that the K4 (not K4HD) does not equal the K3 for raw performance. The
K4HD with equivalent performance and accessories is going to cost a fortune,
with the extra cost going mostly into creature
Except that the K4 (not K4HD) does not equal the K3 for raw
performance. The K4HD with equivalent performance and accessories is
going to cost a fortune, with the extra cost going mostly into creature
features.
And you're forgetting comparison to rigs from other manufacturers. If
you
on relative performance until the K4HD
comes out and is tested. Only then would you get comparable radios.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 10:47 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up
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Sent: Dienstag, 8. Juni 2021 19:47
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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On 6/8/2021 3:00 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote:
> FTDX10 which sounds like a good value for money.
Except that Yaesu rad
This is not like a departure in a plane from O’Hare airport. You do not have to
announce your intentions before leaving here. Thank You.
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:47, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> On 6/8/2021 3:00 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote:
>> FTDX10 which sounds like a good value for money.
>
> Except
On 6/8/2021 7:30 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:
Rob Sherwood's data is excellent.
When studying Rob's work, remember that his table only addresses RECEIVE
performance. He has only very recently begun to look at transmit quality.
73, Jim K9YC
On 6/8/2021 3:00 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote:
FTDX10 which sounds like a good value for money.
Except that Yaesu radios have a long history of generating nasty clicks,
and have more recently established the reputation of severe splatter on
SSB.
73, Jim K9YC
Not so, Doug.
My K3, including accessories and filters, was $4,500 in 2007. That's
$5,722 in today's dollars.
A K4 with all its advanced technology at $4,600 (your quote) is a steal
compared to a K3.
The word "expensive" can be applied to the K4 (or any product) only when
answering the
I would not exactly call this giving up. Would I like to have a K4? Sure, but
I wouldn’t know what to do with it . . . KX2 + KXPA100 + a wire in a tree is
more than enough for me. Just my two cents.
Keeping Watch -
shu
Joe Shuman, NZ8P
see higher results. I
>> suspect direct sampling technology is not as capable as superhet when it
>> comes to separating out closely spaced signals which is what Sherwood
>> Engineering uses to rank radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecr
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> On Behalf Of turnbull
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 11:27 PM
> To: Doug Person ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up
>
> GM Doug,A fully loaded K3 P3 was always dear. It rivalled the 7850
> price but did not reach the cost while arguabl
Sherwood Engineering uses to rank
radios.
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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On
Behalf Of turnbull
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 11:27 PM
To: Doug Person ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up
GM Doug, A fully loaded K3 P3 was always dear
radios.
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Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 11:27 PM
To: Doug Person ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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GM Doug, A fully loaded K3 P3 was always dear. It rivalled the 7850 price
Original message From: Doug Person Date:
08/06/2021 03:34 (GMT+00:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft]
Giving Up Sadly, I've decided to give up waiting for the K4. I'm probably far
down the list anyway. Their are numerous reason for this decision. First
Sadly, I've decided to give up waiting for the K4. I'm probably far down
the list anyway. Their are numerous reason for this decision. First,
there is the cost. With a tuner the price is $4600 making it one of the
most expensive transceivers on the market. I fully realize that the K4
is
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