Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Sam Sokolik
I will give it a try - printing a 200 tooth and a taller 200 tooth flex gear. http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20210126_22.jpg On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 8:07 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > I could read it well enough to see that they only quote prices. The > old saying is

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
I could read it well enough to see that they only quote prices. The old saying is that if you have to ask the price you can't afford it. I can see where plastic gearboxes might be a good solution in perhaps food service or other places where you can't have contamination from lubricants. Or

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
In the "technical" section it says Efficiency 40% for the 28:1 ratio. Are harmonic drives that bad, or is that a plastic limitation? -Original Message- From: Rene Hopf via Emc-users [mailto:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net] Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2021 8:38 AM To: Enhanced Machine

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 22:38, Chris Albertson wrote: > > Igus makes 1st rate stuff. ... > My German language skill is minimal > but it appears prices are quoted, not posted online. English: https://www.igus.co.uk/product/20413 (Also available in dozens of other languages by pressing the

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Ralph Stirling
I asked Igus for pricing on the cycloidal gearboxes back in 2018, and the rep said he would ask hq, but never got back to me. I don't know that they have really done much with these. -- Ralph From: Chris Albertson [albertson.ch...@gmail.com] Sent:

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Sam Sokolik
andy - thank you. I am going to have to draw up the 200 tooth outside gear and see how that works.. (the diameter of the 200 tooth would have to be the same diameter as the 202...) What is nice about what I have right now is the pitch of the 2 gears is the same - so you can engage a lot of

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
Igus makes 1st rate stuff. Igus linear bearing is a common upgrade for cheap 3D printers. They are more accurate and smoother than steel ball linear bearings Any idea on the price. My German language skill is minimal but it appears prices are quoted, not posted online. In any case if I were

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 20:13, Chris Albertson wrote: > Is there a reason you need triangular splines? I think round ones might > work better. They are the best shape for timing pulleys The motion of the flexspline is quite complicated. HD are rather proud of their special profile. Here is the

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 26 January 2021 15:11:02 Chris Albertson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 11:30 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > But that brings up the tooth profile problem. I've not seen a > > timing belt that resembles the triangular splines? > > Is there a reason you need triangular splines?

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Todd Zuercher
Trying to wrap my noodle around, this. Two gears with the same pitch but different tooth counts won't have the same diameters. So do they fudge the pitches on the two so the diameters are the same, that way the band only has to flex in a single axis? Not sure how well that would work on the

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Rene Hopf via Emc-users
Igus makes plastic harmonic drives: https://www.igus.de/product/20413 > On 26. Jan 2021, at 21:59, Chris Albertson wrote: > > I just did t quick Google and found several companies who make belts > "sliced to order" in any width. 6" wide if you like > > The other way to "print" a flex cup

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
I just did t quick Google and found several companies who make belts "sliced to order" in any width. 6" wide if you like The other way to "print" a flex cup is the print a female mold and fill the mold with urethane and kevlar fiber. I'm working on a robotic/prosthetic hand that uses this

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 17:52, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > andy - that seems like a neat experiment... Do you have an example of the > HD version? Yes, as I said, I own an example of it. https://www.harmonicdrive.net/products/component-sets/pancake/fb-2 -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a

Re: [Emc-users] digitizing tablet

2021-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
It depends on what you are doing with the tablet. If it is non-critical an iPad or even a cell phone works, you simply run a remote display and your finger is a mouse. Almost everyone already is one. But if used for drawing, wacon is the best and used are not expensive. I've got two of them.

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Todd Zuercher
For the belt idea, it might work better to invert the whole thing, So you have the belt teeth in and one gear with two fewer teeth than the belt, then the follower wheels on the outside of the belt compressing it to mesh with the smaller gear. The hardest part might be finding a belt wide

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 11:30 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > But that brings up the tooth profile problem. I've not seen a timing > belt that resembles the triangular splines? > Is there a reason you need triangular splines? I think round ones might work better. They are the best shape for

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Sam Sokolik
plus - you fold one inside out - the pitch doesn't match up very well. On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 1:30 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 26 January 2021 13:04:11 Chris Albertson wrote: > > > The weak link on all 3D printed harmonic drives is the flex cup. The > > plastic fails after some hours

Re: [Emc-users] digitizing tablet

2021-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 26 January 2021 14:32:43 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 26 January 2021 13:33:38 Valerio Bellizzomi wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-01-26 at 10:31 -0600, brainf...@posteo.net wrote: > > > who is using a digitizing tablet > > > what are you using > > > advice using it with linux > > > >

Re: [Emc-users] digitizing tablet

2021-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 26 January 2021 13:33:38 Valerio Bellizzomi wrote: > On Tue, 2021-01-26 at 10:31 -0600, brainf...@posteo.net wrote: > > who is using a digitizing tablet > > what are you using > > advice using it with linux > > Debian has drivers for the Wacom tablets. > Works with an Art Pad II ??

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 26 January 2021 13:04:11 Chris Albertson wrote: > The weak link on all 3D printed harmonic drives is the flex cup. The > plastic fails after some hours of use.The best design I've seen to > overcome this is to NOT print the flex cup. They used a wide double > side timing belt for

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 26 January 2021 12:24:02 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 04:47, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > I am sure the torque is limited - but I feel it might have > > possibility... > > It might be worth trying the style without a cup. > You have two internally toothed gears and a

Re: [Emc-users] digitizing tablet

2021-01-26 Thread Valerio Bellizzomi
On Tue, 2021-01-26 at 10:31 -0600, brainf...@posteo.net wrote: > who is using a digitizing tablet > what are you using > advice using it with linux Debian has drivers for the Wacom tablets. ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
The weak link on all 3D printed harmonic drives is the flex cup. The plastic fails after some hours of use.The best design I've seen to overcome this is to NOT print the flex cup. They used a wide double side timing belt for the inner teeth. The thing that very few You tubers do when

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Sam Sokolik
andy - that seems like a neat experiment... Do you have an example of the HD version? On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 11:26 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 04:47, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > > I am sure the torque is limited - but I feel it might have possibility... > > It might be worth

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 04:47, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > I am sure the torque is limited - but I feel it might have possibility... It might be worth trying the style without a cup. You have two internally toothed gears and a double-height flex-spline. The gears have 202 and 200 teeth, the

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 26 January 2021 06:00:46 Sven Wesley wrote: > Den tis 26 jan. 2021 kl 05:47 skrev Sam Sokolik : > > I am sure the torque is limited - but I feel it might have > > possibility... > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlpkmEEhFqc > > I can totally see that drive on my home made

[Emc-users] digitizing tablet

2021-01-26 Thread brainfart
who is using a digitizing tablet what are you using advice using it with linux ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Sequential

2021-01-26 Thread Todd Zuercher
I was just wondering if there were any examples of how the GRAFCET programming might be used in Classiclader. Thought that if I saw how it might be used I might then understand exactly what it was then. And if any one had actually used it with Linuxcnc to know that it actually works with our

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Sam Sokolik
I could probably make the outside gear pretty easy by shaping it on a mill and rotary table. Or make version .1 with both plastic gears then use it to make the outside gear. (outside - as in the non-flex one) On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 5:03 AM Sven Wesley wrote: > Den tis 26 jan. 2021 kl 05:47

Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Sequential

2021-01-26 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 06:07, Dave Cole wrote: > > Do you mean writing a sequencer in Classic Ladder? > As in step logic? CL supports state based sequential logic, using GRAFCET. http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/ladder/classic_ladder_es.html#_grafcet_programming There are some

Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

2021-01-26 Thread Sven Wesley
Den tis 26 jan. 2021 kl 05:47 skrev Sam Sokolik : > I am sure the torque is limited - but I feel it might have possibility... > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlpkmEEhFqc > > I can totally see that drive on my home made trunnion table! ___ Emc-users