Re: [EVDL] Why SUVs are popular (Solar Panels On EV)

2021-04-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: One person I know summarized this best. "If your going to buy a new car, you buy and SUV because it can do everything. That's an easy decision." He didn't even consider that other people could think differently. That doesn't explain why every single family I know

[EVDL] Curtis Fault Diagnosis

2021-04-21 Thread John Titman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Apr 2021 at 17:50, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > Complain all you want, but unless you fire up your own company and start > selling a compelling solution that people want it doesn't matter. "They" sure > aren't! Funny, that's exactly how the Japanese automakers got their feet in the door here

Re: [EVDL] Bolt battery power?

2021-04-21 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
more?) > >> 2) I assume they are fused at 10 amps like all other "lighters" > >> 3) How accessible is the 12v battery? (A photo would be nice) > >> 4) What kind of fusing does it have? > >> Anything else relative to drawing MANY more amps from the 12v battery.. -

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-21 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
arge that accumulates > as long-haired cats speed through the tunnels. This shocks the > cats, who drop their packets. > > -- Lolapin (2020) > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > -- next

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Apr 2021 at 13:09, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > Most of the big automakers can't even sell normal sedans anymore, let alone a > super-lightweight "city" car. Just not going to happen. And yet, somehow Volkswagen sold over 21 million Beetles. They sold enough of them to prosper even when

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery

2021-04-21 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
The 120 amps the system can generate is of concern. I did get 7 or so years out of the original OEM battery. Maybe a hybrid system of two smaller batteries. One lithium and one lead. In parallel.  Maybe they would allow the best qualities of each to shine. I have some small 16ah batteries that

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread George Tyler via EV
It's not just the inductance of the wiring and the 3 phase windings on the alternator though. Mechanism is like a DC-DC with a very slow feedback loop. This is the rotor inductance causing the problem, during the high load current time the control current in the rotor is increased to maximum by

Re: [EVDL] Why SUVs are popular (Solar Panels On EV)

2021-04-21 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Why SUVs are popular (Solar Panels On EV)

2021-04-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Some of the appeal of an SUV is the form and impression. I suspect that some people buy an SUV strictly because of that, but probably a good minority. I've thought about this a number of times, since the topic is brought up on various forums under various pretexts. And the conclusion always

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-21 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Lee Hart via EV wrote: That's pretty much what James Worden of Solectria did with the Sunrise, and Alex Krause did with the Evergreen. Build a (relatively) normal car, but with the emphasis on streamlining and light weight. Exactly! And others, from the

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Glenn Brooks via EV wrote: Up until last year, my daughter had an older Lexus SUV hybrid... the car stayed parked for weeks sometimes. When parked for a week, the battery pack and the lead acid battery always went dead from some mysterious, undetectable current draw. Automakers usually size

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Willie via EV wrote: Here is a relevant anecdote: My 2013 Tesla S ran through 12v lead batteries at the rate of about one every 12 months.  That was of no great concern to me while the batteries were under warranty.  However, after the first three, that part of the warranty expired and I

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
George Tyler via EV wrote: An alternator is very different to a Dc-Dc converter in this respect. Modern high frequency DC-DC conv. Have very small inductors storing very little energy. An Alternator has a HUGE inductor storing a lot of energy, and this is not on the output but in the control

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: So, how can one explain the difference in drain ? How much telematics is necessary while the car is parked and unused, it just seems horribly excessive. But these designers aren't stupid, there must be a reasonable explanation. My impression is that automakers

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
So, how can one explain the difference in drain ? How much telematics is necessary while the car is parked and unused, it just seems horribly excessive. But these designers aren't stupid, there must be a reasonable explanation. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Add this to the puzzle. My 2011 leaf is just shy of 10 years old. I'm still using the original LA battery. The only thing I can think of that may be different for me is that I never agreed to use nissan's carwings, which is some sort of telematics... But, I'm

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Add this to the puzzle. My 2011 leaf is just shy of 10 years old. I'm still using the original LA battery. The only thing I can think of that may be different for me is that I never agreed to use nissan's carwings, which is some sort of telematics. (It required access to my phone address book

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread Willie via EV
On 4/20/21 8:52 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: I agree with -Phil-. I think lithium is the wrong choice for the 12v battery. It's expensive, offers no advantages, and "cures" a problem that doesn't exist. Here is a relevant anecdote: My 2013 Tesla S ran through 12v lead batteries at the

[EVDL] Solar Panels on EV

2021-04-21 Thread Bobby Keeland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Apr 2021 at 22:34, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > That's pretty much what James Worden of Solectria did with the Sunrise, > and Alex Krause did with the Evergreen. Build a (relatively) normal > car, but with the emphasis on streamlining and light weight. Exactly! And others, from the

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread George Tyler via EV
An alternator is very different to a Dc-Dc converter in this respect. Modern high frequency DC-DC conv. Have very small inductors storing very little energy. An Alternator has a HUGE inductor storing a lot of energy, and this is not on the output but in the control side! So has much more effect!

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-21 Thread George Tyler via EV
I think that's normal, there has to be some electronics one for remote to work? My hybrids did this too, in fact, even my old 1994 estima does this, no remotes. -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Glenn Brooks via EV Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2021 4:46 pm To: p...@ingineerix.com;