Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
How to say this... I am not interested in defending Tesla and I think their marketing and application of autopilot needs improving. But, honestly, if the driver is paying attention and autopilot shuts down, what's to lose ? Up to that point, either autopilot was driving the car correctly, in

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 Jul 2021 at 15:43, Willie via EV wrote: > I thank you for your candidness. This "I hate Elon and no level of > superior performance can overcome that hatred" caught me by complete > surprise. But, it explains much that has puzzled me. I didn't say that. Tesla's competition has helped

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 105, Issue 9

2021-07-09 Thread Offgrid Systems via EV
"Musk did great things for Tesla and for EVs initially, but it's past time for him to go. If he won't go voluntarily, he should be removed from the company. Give him a nice golden parachute (not that he needs one) and push him out." Strongly disagree with this sentiment, having had 3 of the

[EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-09 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
Hi EV folks After talking with my friend who crashed his Tesla3 about what was noted today on the EVDL that sometimes on sharp country road turns - the AutoPilot drops out (thus hitting a tree). This appears to be what happened. In engineering this fault mode would be considered a fatal

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread Willie via EV
On 7/9/21 12:55 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I think that most Tesla devotees are either unaware of or underestimate the level of distaste (to put it mildly) for Elon Musk that exists on the periphery of EV interest. I thank you for your candidness. This "I hate Elon and no level

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread Collin Kidder via EV
> > I know, the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I see a lot of comments > > online from thoughtful, reasonable people who'd like to own EVs, but aren't > > at all keen on handing their money to Musk. > > > > My wife refuses to test drive a Tesla because she hates Elon's "TechBro" >

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread Jay Summet via EV
I think that most Tesla devotees are either unaware of or underestimate the level of distaste (to put it mildly) for Elon Musk that exists on the periphery of EV interest. I know, the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I see a lot of comments online from thoughtful, reasonable people who'd

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread Rod Hower via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread Damon Henry via EV
>I think that most Tesla devotees are either unaware of or underestimate the >level of distaste (to put it mildly) for Elon Musk that exists on the >periphery of EV interest.  >I know, the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I see a lot of comments >online from thoughtful, reasonable people

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 Jul 2021 at 10:20, Willie via EV wrote: > Some here just can not accept that it was done by Tesla. I can not > understand the anti-Tesla bias. I've said this several times, but once more: I'm not opposed to, or biased against, Tesla as a company. They design outstanding vehicles.

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 105, Issue 7

2021-07-09 Thread Damon Henry via EV
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[EVDL] Teen killed in Pickup hit by Tesla

2021-07-09 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
In a new NYT article it appears that the victim wasn't wearing a seatbelt. He was elected from his vehicle.  Lawrence Rhodes ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread Willie via EV
On 7/8/21 11:10 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: This is hearsay! Lots of people said their Toyota’s and Lexus suddenly accelerated but this too was ruled as operator error or the accelerator getting stuck in the carpet. Many people try to blame someone else for their mistakes. After reading

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread Glenn Brooks via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 Jul 2021 at 4:10, paul dove via EV wrote: > This is hearsay! I don't think so. Paul, are you suggesting that Mark is unreliable, or that his friend is faking the injuries from the friend's Tesla wrecks? Let's review the definition of "hearsay." From the Oxford Dictionary: hearsay

Re: [EVDL] here's another plug for EVs

2021-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
By contrast, battery electric vehicles are between 60 and 100 percent efficient. Uh ... no. While EVs are unquestionably a LOT more efficient than ICEVs, I'm pretty sure that the upper limit of their efficiency range is less than 100 percent. Correct, the author would have been more

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-09 Thread paul dove via EV
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