Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

It’s the battery that impacts the range in BEVs. In an ICE, the battery is mainly important for starting, with the engine charging the battery. Sometimes you do need a better battery for starting in very extreme weather. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 22, 2022, at 9:11

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

Isn’t China where most of Tesla’s sales are? While US and Europe have some importance, near term performance is all about China. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 21, 2022, at 7:41 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > > On 12/21/2022 12:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EU agrees on 2035 ICEV ban, sort of

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EU agrees on 2035 ICEV ban, sort of

Don’t forget that recycling of lead acid batteries contaminates the communities around them, creating major health problems to those near them and downwind. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 30, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Peri Hartman wrote: >>>

Re: [EVDL] Manchin agrees to climate bill

Responding to myself… I’ve had a quick look at the complete bill, and yes, there are some vehicle production credits in the bill that will apply to BEVs, as well as a tax credit for buyers, with a cost limit on the vehicle, and an income limit for the taxpayer. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell

Re: [EVDL] Manchin agrees to climate bill

I don’t know yet the details on this either, but I expect more of a focus on hydrogen than BEV, based upon w comments Manchin has made in the past, talking with people who have had some discussions with him, and his comments last week at his Committee’s Hydrogen Hub hearing. I would expect a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: DC plans (accidental) EV tax

While batteries are increasing their power density, I’m not convinced that they will lighten. Instead, the choice will be made to increase range. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jun 13, 2022, at 11:30 AM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > As an investor in Aptera (which is

Re: [EVDL] new topics (Why people dislike Tesla)

I don’t know that you will find a BEV van with that range for awhile. Commercial use and demand (like package delivery) will be needed first. For that kind of range, DHL in Europe has said that above 150 km (miles?) it makes no sense, as the space needed takes away too much from payload space.

Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

ll need to learn how to > be a car company too or everyone else will eventually overtake them. > >> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 8:17 PM Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> >> It’s the new paradigm, right?! >> >> (I share your appalledness) >> >

Re: [EVDL] leaf heater switch

I have a unique perspective, having played a role in the push for the original ZEV mandate in California, and think that it’s safe to say that Musk (and the original Tesla developers) pushed forward the “tipping point” on EVs by as much as decades. His role, on several levels, has been unique,

Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

It’s the new paradigm, right?! (I share your appalledness) They are first movers in an industry, and with a great product. But this is disturbing, and they won’t ultimately succeed unless they fix this. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 20, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Ken Olum via

Re: [EVDL] EV USPO trucks

No, that’s just an email address. Try here: https://earthjustice.org/action/electrify-the-postal-service - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 27, 2022, at 11:12 AM, K O via EV wrote: > > Earthjustice is amplifing the call to buy EV trucks for the POEarthjustice > Alerts

Re: [EVDL] $7.5bn for ev charging stations across the US

Please point to even one sign that this the case. Among of investment? Number of models? Amount of marketing? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 12, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Willie McKemie via EV wrote: > > Tesla's goal is to hasten the adoption electric vehicles. The others

Re: [EVDL] Fast chargers are almost as profitable as gasoline pumps, claims BP executive

rge as if you > used 100 kW continuously for the whole month, even though you only used it > for 15 minutes (25 kWh). > > Storage is the main way to mitigate demand fees. A few EV stations have on > site storage just for this reason. > > > >> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 1

Re: [EVDL] Fast chargers are almost as profitable as gasoline pumps, claims BP executive

Interesting article. Your info on rates, though, may be where you are, but not everywhere. I can’t tell you what the rates are here, but know that chargers get subsidized rates. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > >

Re: [EVDL] $7.5bn for ev charging stations across the US

I would agree that there would only be a modest amount of congestion “at this time”. But BEVs will be flooding the market over the next few years, and that will be short-lived. Can they expand the network quick enough, while maintaining the same level of performance, reliability, etc?

Re: [EVDL] $7.5bn for ev charging stations across the US

ave a great system. > > -Steve > >> On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> >> Weren’t the cost of those chargers incorporated into the purchase price of >> the vehicles? >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel

Re: [EVDL] $7.5bn for ev charging stations across the US

Weren’t the cost of those chargers incorporated into the purchase price of the vehicles? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 12, 2022, at 6:19 AM, paul dove via EV wrote: > > They should reimburse Tesla for their charging network if they’re gonna put > chargers in for all

Re: [EVDL] $7.5bn for ev charging stations across the US

As far as I know, the charging business cannot yet be profitable without subsidies. If anyone has any contrary data, I would welcome it. If there is any data showing WHEN it might be profitable, I would be happy to see that, too. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 11,

Re: [EVDL] Testing Teslas New Full Self Driving FSD, NOT ready for prime time

Multiple computers? “ Feb 7 (Reuters) - Tesla Inc (TSLA.O)decided to remove one of the two electronic control units included in the steering racks of some made-in-China Model 3 and Model Y cars to meet fourth-quarter sales goals while coping with global chip shortage, CNBC reported on Monday.”

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

That is fascinating. I hate most traffic circles, and think them dangerous. But if the data is showing otherwise… BTW, sign location is usually based on an engineering study, and there are federal standards that states must be mostly compliant with - then again, some prefer to make stuff up

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

No, not to generate traffic tickets. There are safety standards, based on traffic volume, accidents, etc, that determine where they go. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 1, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > > Tesla should treat a stop sign according to the

Re: [EVDL] tesla's sneaky rolling stops

I could create a model to reproduce the sound… - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 1, 2022, at 1:51 PM, Mark Grasser via EV wrote: > > But if you read how It works, it only does the rolling stop if no other cars > are at the intersection. So the question is this. If no one

Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar.

A good cause, but suboptimal in light of a raging pandemic. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 5, 2022, at 2:49 PM, cleanair--- via EV wrote: > > A gathering in front of the SF CPUC office is scheduled to protest the > increase.Hope to see some familiar faces. > Danny >

Re: [EVDL] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar.

I think that you are mistaken. The comment period ends mid-month, and then there will be a round of reply comments. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > Please do your part to complain about these proposed fees. If

[EVDL] EVs Can Save 30% in Costs at Three Years, Study Says

I thought the comments about the other study were a bit over the top (FUD? Really?), but this study has a different conclusion, though it is regarding commercial use. A different level of detail, perhaps. For those that had any of the number of legitimate gripes with the assumptions, I’d

Re: [EVDL] (no subject)

I had to actually look (skim) at the study. It appears to be a serious look, and is the first of a series on the “EV transition”, so they will do more, and much of you will have to pay for. They do *exclude* some costs, so it could be criticized for that, but at least they are transparent in

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

to 9.6kw range) > > I have some Level 2 EVSEs, but I haven't gotten around to wiring them in yet > because level-1 works good enough for us right now. > > > My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key > > October 23, 2021 5:22 PM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

Not in L.A.. In California, 50% of the population live in multi-unit housing. How many can reasonably charge at home? I don’t know. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 23, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > > I'll grant you that there might be a few urban

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

ardwiring can be between $400-$1,700 depending upon size, > distance from the existing panel, etc... > > Jay > >> On 10/23/21 8:22 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> I know nothing about Level 1 charger costs, so did a quick Google, found >> this: >> https://blo

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

I know nothing about Level 1 charger costs, so did a quick Google, found this: https://blog.carvana.com/2021/07/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-an-ev-charger/ “ For example, the Level 1 charger costs between $300 to $600 before labor, which stands at about $1,000 to $1,700.” Is this wrong? -

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

I grew up in Detroit, and delivered the Detroit Free Press (usually zero emission, by foot or bicycle). The paper is mainstream, but you’re right - ICE country. At least it *was* a few years ago. The OEMs there are going full EV, so there’s no reason to post FUD. And the numbers, while the

[EVDL] BEV Vehicle to Home

I’m one of those that generally don’t see a good use case for BEV vehicle to home, but I think that you have perfectly defined a beautiful use case where it makes perfect sense. Thanks for the post. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 3, 2021, at 7:30 PM, Tim Economu via EV

Re: [EVDL] J.B. Straubel in the news - Move making cathodes from Asia to the USA

unds good. How does that work ? Do they pump the water through some sort > of catalyst that can extract lithium ? > > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ------ Original Message -- > From: "Mark Abramowitz via E

Re: [EVDL] J.B. Straubel in the news - Move making cathodes from Asia to the USA

California is looking to “produce” its own lithium supplies, from the Salton Sea. They’ve formed a Commission (a good friend of mine is on it) to oversee it, and I’m hopeful that appropriate environmental safeguards will be in place. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Sep 14,

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

on > capacity and customer demand. > > > >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 12:41 Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> >> Southern California commonly sends its excess to Arizona - sometimes we >> have to pay them to take it. Every year we curtail lots of renewables. >&

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

rage >> further increases the time period where a site can operate without >> depending on the local/regional grid. >> >> Energy storage at the production sites would improve the match between >> production supply and transmission capacity. >> >> Energy storage

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

Southern California commonly sends its excess to Arizona - sometimes we have to pay them to take it. Every year we curtail lots of renewables. CaISO tracks how much. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Sep 1, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Jan Steinman via EV wrote: > >  >> >> From:

Re: [EVDL] Charging EVs was Re: hydrogen isn't green, after all

Hopefully you saw some places to find the information you wanted in my follow-up post. Use the data how you see fit, draw your own conclusions. I just want to see people use accurate information. But the “wha-a-a” moment was when I saw that you drive a hybrid. Why on earth would you drive a

Re: [EVDL] Cost of PV EV charging

How much do you pay when you charge away from home? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 25, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > >  > On 8/25/21 11:10 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: ...by Electrify America, they said that they charge 31¢/kWh. >> I have seen

Re: [EVDL] Fast Charging Rates on the Least coast

Do they price differently in different markets? Or does this have to do with price of gasoline? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 25, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi folks > I’m charging along the least coast with the Tesla 28c per kWh and the Bolt >

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

I don’t know. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 25, 2021, at 2:39 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: > > Where and who is building them ? > >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 3:30 AM Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> >> One other update

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

- See my note about the capacity of fueling stations being built today. Your number is no longer correct. - the needed infrastructure ratio makes me neither happy nor unhappy. They just are what they are, but you need to adjust comparisons based on that, as you have done (I’m not commenting

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

One other update on subsidies for stations - some new stations are being built *without* state funding. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 24, 2021, at 11:11 PM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: > > Let me give you sources for the exact numbers for up to date data, rather > than

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Let me give you sources for the exact numbers for up to date data, rather than rely on my memory. On station cost and the % amount that the subsidy has dropped, you can either go to the CEC website, and look at the latest funding awards, or you can look at a summary put together by the

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

You are definitely in great shape for at-home charging. Hopefully that is usually sufficient for you. On the hydrogen side, the $16.50 price was correct in 2019. The price is NOT subsidized by California. With the newer stations and greater competition they are starting to come down and will

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Ok - we disagree about the date to use. I was just using CARB’s analysis and the dates they pick. But it really doesn’t matter. On number of stations, you repeat exactly what I said, that the 2020 numbers are a projection. It had to be, 2020 wasn’t over. But everything prior was an actual

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

I have no idea whether any of your calcs or most assumptions are correct. But I’m not sure what “80%” number that you say I’ve referenced is. To what are you referring? Also, since we are talking about the consumers perspective, I think you are making common mistake in equating cost with

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Availability - fair enough, if you want to define it that way. But then, you need to be consistent with how you define it. But I don’t think it’s ridiculous for me not to count them as “available”. The fueling stations were all “pilot” and not considered “retail” stations. Retail stations

Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen Isn't Green, After All (Mark Abramowitz)

The difference in weight is less than 10 pounds. If what you say is true, is that even measurable? Count me skeptical. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 24, 2021, at 6:01 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > >  >> On 8/24/21 2:56 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV wrote: >> Mark: "In

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

ier), 7 miles less EPA range (2%), 5% > less passenger volume (the tesla has more head room front and back and more > front leg room, but less rear legroom), and the tesla has 5% more cargo > volume. > > My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key > > August 23,

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Sums it up nicely with incorrect information? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 23, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: > > Enough with the hydrogen, Peter sums it up nicely. > >> On 8/23/2021 7:27 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: >> I thought it was obvious I

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

gt; Rather telling wouldn't you say? > > My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key > > August 19, 2021 11:22 AM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" wrote: > >> I guess no one sees *any* advantages? I wonder why? Is everyone using the >> same 20 year

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

, and > additional thousands to double the size of my PV array to power it, I could > only drive it locally because the nearest H2 fueling station is over 600 > miles from my house. > > > My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key > > August 22, 20

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

A few responses: FCEVs are certainly earlier stage than EVs. Costs are coming down quickly. But to the consumer, FCEVs aren’t necessary more expensive. For the cost of a Tesla S, the only one out when I bought my first FCEV, I could buy at least two FCEVs, taking into account factory and other

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn’t green, after all

Perhaps not for you, but I’m on my second, my wife has one, and so does my son. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 23, 2021, at 3:03 PM, nathan christiansn via EV > wrote: > >  >> >> You may find this interesting, in answer to your question. > >

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Willie, I actually didn’t see the “EVDL Administrator” questions. I don’t see his stuff - they go automatically in the bit bucket. As far as the main question you and Peter posted, I’ve posted that I prefer to sit back and see what others come up with. I’m pretty sure I’ve already posted my

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

I wouldn’t expect that Toyota had that kind of editorial influence, nor would exercise it if they could. The statement was clearly not correct, and maybe the person just misspoke. But wind day and night? Consistently? The data I’ve seen over the years indicates that most wind is at at night.

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

theater. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 22, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: > > I listened but it was a lot of fluff and no opportunity to ask questions. > I asked you questions and you didn’t reply. > >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 7:

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

You may find this interesting, in answer to your question. https://youtu.be/dWAO3vUn7nw - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 17, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV > wrote: > > What, exactly, do people see as the advantage(s) of a FCEV over a BEV? > > There are

Re: [EVDL] California authorizes emergency diesel backup grid electrical generation

Not rushed through. Appalling? Yes. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:03 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > >  > https://www.utilitydive.com/news/california-authorizes-summer-reliability-fixes-despite-concerns-over-back-u/597381/ > This is being rushed

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

I guess no one sees *any* advantages? I wonder why? Is everyone using the same 20 year old information that some are using? Believing some of the myths? Are people afraid that if they list something they will be attacked or bullied by a few who do that here? It’s very odd that absolutely no

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

ou missed the first sentence.. . compared to a BEV? > > My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key > > August 17, 2021 6:50 PM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" wrote: > >> Your question is a good one, though unclear. >> >> *Which* peop

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

You may be a perfect example of someone that a BEV is a better solution. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: > > Hello David, > > One of the advantages to an EV is that it takes me about 20 seconds to > hook up the charger

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Your question is a good one, though unclear. *Which* people? Are you asking about the advantage to a consumer? A manufacturer? A policy maker? Your “tons of disadvantages” can also be applied to BEVs or. At simply be not accurate. Higher cost to build? Well, yeah. But don’t BEVs cost more to

Re: [EVDL] Electric riding mowers

…and that’s the cheap one. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, paul dove wrote: > >  > I have one too but their riders are very high starting at $5,000. > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021, 3:37:06 PM CDT, Mark Abramowitz via EV &g

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

You just read what I wrote very selectively. I’m not an advocate here for anybody. I mentioned Plug’s green hydrogen, so I disclosed it. I have stock in Tesla - so what? What have you disclosed? What other interests do you have? As far as how many cars have it, you nicely make the arguments I

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn’t green after all

I really don’t know anything about the ability of the tanks to age and develop cracks over time. Can you expand on that? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 15, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: > > Hi Nathan, > > I was thinking of 700 bar tanks with 3 per

Re: [EVDL] Thin Film Storage of H2 at Lower pressures PLASMA KENETICS

Well, what he is proposing in that video is just a means of storage, and appears to have nothing to do with how it is produced or what you produce it with. As far as production of hydrogen is concerned, “dirty methane” is used less and less. It’s been several years already that the industry

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

> I actually thought 70% was as good as it gets, but they think in another >>> 10 years it might be in the upper 90%'s. >>> >>> I recall that the combustion of hydrogen was also pretty lossy. SO a lot of >>> inefficiency coming and going with H. I will try to f

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

rs it might be in the upper 90%'s. >> >> I recall that the combustion of hydrogen was also pretty lossy. SO a lot of >> inefficiency coming and going with H. I will try to find where I got that >> idea and write back. The discussion was to the effect that combining O2 and >

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Amen. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 15, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > I think the future will be a combination of all sorts of means. We > can't extraoplate any single energy source or means of distribution as THE > ONE. It won't work that way.

Re: [EVDL] Hyzon FC trucks (hydrogen isn't green, after all)

There are some regulatory drivers here, not just company image or ESG. Companies will need to buy zero emission trucks. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 15, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > This will be interesting to watch. They want a half billion

Re: [EVDL] Electric riding mowers

My current (non-riding) mower is made by Greenworks. I love it. They have moved to lithium ion battery technology. They also have at least one commercial riding mower. You might want to have a look. I like this company because the CEO is not only a nice guy, but is a motivated guy who wants

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

hone >>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mark, it's you who is attempting to make a point. I'm waiting for you to >>>> substantiate your point. If you can do that without numbers, that's

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

>> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>>> On Aug 15, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>> >>> Mark, it's you who is attempting to make a point. I'm waiting for you to >>> substantiate your point. If you can do that

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

list of choices for a lot of fundamental reasons. I > have not seen anything in your arguments to dissuade me from a BEV or > point me to a viable HFCEV vehicle. > > >> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 1:56 AM Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> >> I’m not sure what you

Re: [EVDL] Solid state hydrogen still isn't as affordable as batteries,

I’m not understanding this. Your problem is that it produces a profit? And that profit might be invested into fossil fuels? Very little of anything would be produced if it didn’t make a profit. And please don’t buy any EVs that are made by anyone but Tesla, because the profits will likely be

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

I’m not sure what you want numbers on, but a point can certainly be made without them, and frequently, numbers can get in the way. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 14, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Mark, if you wish to present a point, please at

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Ok, looking farther down the chart, we have total energy: Plasma Tech - 8.7 kWh/kg Compressed H2 - 1.8-6.5 kWh/kg Liquid - 11.5 kWh/kg Metal Hydride - 34.8 kWh/kg - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 14, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: > > Ok, I wasn’t going to

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Ok, I wasn’t going to take the bait, but finally broke down. Yes, this is all about storage, not production (though they claim to have a magic production technology). It sounded all quite interesting, and despite a few seemingly contradictions, was fascinating, and peaked my interest. But

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

very wrong. > >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:31 AM Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> Only looking at what you posted, you draw a very false conclusion from the >> data. >> >> You’ve connected fossil hydrogen with that going into a car’s tank. Well, >>

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Wrong. You think that fuel cell users go in to their dealer for an annual fuel cell change? Not the case. We have two fuel cell cars here, and in about 11 “fuel cell years”, I had a fuel cell stack problem once, and it was from a defect. I’m curious - where did you get such totally wrong

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

I think focus on that article was not “green” hydrogen, but “blue” hydrogen, made from fossil with carbon sequestered. All I’ll say about blue hydrogen is that I share some of your concerns about the ability to really do it. On the green side, I think that your numbers are way off. Do a

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

or cars > from solar wind, and hydro approach 95% efficiency.. > > And the difference between 50% and 95% is not close to 50%, it is > colower to 90% since > the 5% losses at 95% efficiency is TEN times less than the losses at 50% > > bob >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 3:31

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

e last rites and finally move on. > > Bill D. > >> On 8/13/2021 7:11 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> Only looking at what you posted, you draw a very false conclusion from the >> data. >> >> You’ve connected fossil hydrogen with that going into a car’s tank.

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

Only looking at what you posted, you draw a very false conclusion from the data. You’ve connected fossil hydrogen with that going into a car’s tank. Well, yes, you can do that, much like you use fossil gas or coal to produce electricity to run a BEV. But most hydrogen in transportation is not

Re: [EVDL] Centenaries for trucks

Highway departments have less control over highway vehicles. > > >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 21:06 Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> >> There was a one or two mile test of a catenary system near the ports in >> Los Angeles several years ago, using Siemens t

Re: [EVDL] Centenaries for trucks

There was a one or two mile test of a catenary system near the ports in Los Angeles several years ago, using Siemens technology. The pilot project had an interesting twist - the pantograph would be connected for a portion of the trip, and then the truck would operate normally under whatever

Re: [EVDL] Why not an open source EV?

Fascinating idea, but even if you used commodity parts, don’t they change anyway over time? What’s the current status of those parts that you used, and of the project? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:39 AM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > > This was our

Re: [EVDL] toyota is still a laggard

Toyota has been dealing themselves many self-inflicted wounds, some of them outlined in the article. I work with people from Toyota regularly, and am frequently surprised. But I’m really surprised at some of the misleading information that the article includes about hydrogen. I’ll leave it at

[EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

https://www.wired.com/story/ftc-votes-to-enforce-right-to-repair/ - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

Re: [EVDL] Green car reports - illegible?

I’m so glad Peri mentioned ADA. A minor change in how you characterize your difficulty might have an impact. Recognizing that we are not talking about a government agency or a governnent funded organization, it may be nonetheless illustrative to note that Federal agencies have website

Re: [EVDL] exxon finally got the memo

To paraphrase Mark Twain, news of their demise is greatly exaggerated. “ demand for oil and gas for transportation, power generation and plastics is not disappearing overnight. Wisely managed money will be made there.” All this being said, it will also be a transition for those that see the

Re: [EVDL] Vandalism charge for charging EV?

Remembering that you are there, I think that Glenn’s idea is better. If it doesn’t work, I would talk to hotel manager. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 30, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Glenn Brooks via EV wrote: > > Another approach- go talk with the hotel valet/parking manager.

[EVDL] Electrify America performance

A number of folks have expressed dissatisfaction with VW (Electrify America) charging infrastructure. This meeting tomorrow morning may provide an opportunity to comment on the shortfalls of their infrastructure. CARB Public Meeting to solicit comments on Electrify America’s California

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

It’s amazing what civil unrest accomplished in China. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 24, 2021, at 3:14 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > On 24 May 2021 at 11:26, Larry Gales via EV wrote: > >> The smaller you make a gas vehicle, the uglier, noisier, dirtier,

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 103, Issue 24

Forklifts and floor scrubbers need not run on natural gas or propane. There are both battery electric and fuel cell electric hybrid equipment available in that category with zero emissions. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 24, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] small UPS

If you are looking for one that small (I’m not sure exactly the size of mine - it may be smaller) you can have it for free. It has just sat in a box, so I don’t know if the battery is any good, but the electronics should still be fine. You just have to pick it up. I’m in Orange County. - Mark

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

Your comment about golf carts in San Francisco surprises me. Unless it has been recently changed, state law allows them to be driven on public roads only if they are within a short distance (I can’t recall exactly how far - half mile?) of a golf course AND the city has adopted an ordinance

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