Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Alexander Boström
Moving to i686+SSE2 while still keeping full support for i586 would imply: * A secondary arch * Bits in preupgrade/anaconda to pick the secondary arch on upgrade * Extra confusion on the download page Of course, those aren't all hard requirements, but still, I doubt it's worth the trouble...

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 15 juin 2009 23:18, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 01:53:13PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: - AMD Geode I'm a little worried about this one. IIRC my employer uses many Geode GX2 embedded boxes (no mechanical parts is a design requirement). They're not on

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 15 juin 2009 20:47, Casey Dahlin a écrit : On 06/14/2009 02:08 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Gah. Allowing packages to pierce the firewall just makes the firewall redundant. Not true. Allowing any listening program to poke a hole in the firewall would make it redundant. Packages

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Matej Cepl
Josh Boyer, Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:28:04 -0400: Another option would be to retain the current i586 support, and add the i686+SSE2 as a new primary arch, with an eye towards depreciating the current x32 support down the road. There would seem to be less initial pain involved here, and everyone would

Re: Headsup: ABI changing ImageMagick coming to rawhide

2009-06-16 Thread Hans de Goede
On 06/15/2009 10:04 PM, Joe Orton wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 03:21:40PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: I've just build ImageMagick 6.5.3.7 for rawhide. This version introduces *silent* ABI breakage, as the ABI has changed without changing the soname (woohoo way to go upstream!) Can you not

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Andrew Haley
Tom Lane wrote: Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com writes: drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said: Moving to i686 is fine, non i686 chips are mostly dead (but the perfomance gain from moving to i686 from i586 is questionable at best). ... how so? It's consistently 1-2% in reasonable benchmarks

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-16 Thread Thomas Woerner
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 15.06.09 12:41, Thomas Woerner (twoer...@redhat.com) wrote: So, what should happen here? Should we leave the firewall enabled in these cases* by default and require admins to open them? If so, is there any way that we can make this easier in some

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Bill Nottingham wrote: What CPUs do we lose that F11 supports? - Intel Pentium III - AMD Geode - VIA C3 I still have this three in production. If somebody want some gain and have modern computer [1] he should use x86_64. He will get SSE2 from scratch and as bonus he will get lm, nx and

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Hans de Goede
On 06/15/2009 07:53 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Way back when in February [1], FESCo decided that for Fedora 11, i586 would be the default architecture, and for Fedora 12, it would be some variant of i686. It's time to follow through on that action item. I've submitted

Re: unable to include capability.h

2009-06-16 Thread Daniel Lezcano
Steve Grubb wrote: On Friday 12 June 2009 09:02:39 am Daniel Lezcano wrote: As I only need the CAP_SYS_BOOT, I will define it manually in the source code and will remove the include, that's ugly but anyway... :/ Alternatelyas of today, libcap-ng is now in Fedora. It has a far

Re: iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-16 Thread Thomas Woerner
Roberto Ragusa wrote: Thomas Woerner wrote: Please think of a scenario like this: Service A is adding firewall rules for opening port 20 and 21 (ftp-data and ftp) for everyone and service B is opening port 20 and 21 only for a specific network segment. What do you want to have here? If you

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Daniel Drake
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:53 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Way back when in February [1], FESCo decided that for Fedora 11, i586 would be the default architecture, and for Fedora 12, it would be some variant of i686. It's time to follow through on that action item. I've submitted

Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-06-16

2009-06-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
== The results in this summary consider Test Updates! == Summary of broken packages (by src.rpm name): avahi bareftp gnome-guitar liferea

Broken dependencies in Fedora 10 - 2009-06-16

2009-06-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
== The results in this summary consider Test Updates! == Summary of broken packages (by src.rpm name): db4o gadget llvm php python-morbid

Re: Heads up: NoArch Sub Packages Feature continues

2009-06-16 Thread John5342
2009/6/15 Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Rex Dieter wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: So if you're on x86_64 and you have foo-1.1.i386 and foo-1.0.x86_64 and you run: yum install foo you would expect foo-1.1.i386 to be installed instead of foo-1.0.x86_64?

Re: No sound in rawhide

2009-06-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:09 +0100, Paul wrote: Hi, Prior to the big push to f12, my system had full audio. No problems. Lovely, lovely sounds. For some reason, alsa and pulseaudio are completely failing to pick up my sound card (either the onboard one or my soundblaster). This is despite

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 09:06:37AM +, Matej Cepl wrote: Josh Boyer, Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:28:04 -0400: Another option would be to retain the current i586 support, and add the i686+SSE2 as a new primary arch, with an eye towards depreciating the current x32 support down the road. There would

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Jon Ciesla
Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jon Ciesla wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jon Ciesla wrote: BTW are those new VIA netbooks SSE2-capable? Additionally, what will this do to RHEL? I can't imagine RHEL customers being too happy about this for RHEL7(?), and if i386

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Murphy wrote: On 16/06/09 04:56, Matt Domsch wrote: with a BIOS a little over 5 years old. Is it long in the tooth? sure. Is it still very functional? you bet. I wouldn't go so far as to require sse2 in such a move. I would

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Paul Jakma
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Bill Nottingham wrote: What CPUs do we lose that F11 supports? - Intel i586 (all) - Intel Pentium Pro - Intel Pentium II - Intel Pentium III - 32-bit AMD Athlon - AMD Geode - VIA C3 - Transmeta Crusoe Oh joy. I still have PIII laptops, Athlon desktops and servers here

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com said: Jon Ciesla (l...@jcomserv.net) said: Additionally, what will this do to RHEL? I can't imagine RHEL customers being too happy about this for RHEL7(?), and if i386 would still be in RHEL, it would worry me that it would only be

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Farkas Levente
Chris Adams wrote: I think the big question is this: is this worth the effort? Almost all the new systems should just be running x86_64 anyway. Why does x86 (32 bit) need to throw out working architectures? Adding them back as a secondary arch just increases the workload (for somebody) that

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Paul Jakma
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Bill Nottingham wrote: It is 25 actively reporting machines. I've heard the following reasons why a Centaur or similar CPU class may be reported low: - Hey, we use a non-GUI server! - Hey, we're LTSP! - Hey, we didn't run the firstboot client! - Older hardware is

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com said: Because that's significantly less of our userbase. I'd love to have harder numbers, but we're still talking about a set of CPUs that (outside of corner cases like the Geode and C3) ceased production anywhere from 4 (Athlon) to 6 (P3)

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-12

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: Could you expand on this? What part of it do you not like? How can we improve it? We have the source and the upstream maintainer has been very responsive so far, so hopefully we can enhance it to meet our needs. Why do we need this bot at all? All it takes is a human

Re: packaging web applications, SELinux

2009-06-16 Thread Paul Howarth
On 16/06/09 16:34, Chuck Anderson wrote: Is there any pointer to best practices for packing a web application that provides static content, cgi scripts, integrates with Apache configuration, and works with SELinux? How should I package the SELinux policy needed to make this work? The Packaging

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: And this is what pisses me off, and why I say you're holding us hostage. Whether or not it is a good idea to continue to produce them, you don't care, you're just going to do it anyway. Great way to run a project. Just drop support for split media from Anaconda, then they

Re: packaging web applications, SELinux

2009-06-16 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 06/16/2009 11:34 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: Is there any pointer to best practices for packing a web application that provides static content, cgi scripts, integrates with Apache configuration, and works with SELinux? How should I package the SELinux policy needed to make this work? The

Re: packaging web applications, SELinux

2009-06-16 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 04:46:00PM +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: On 16/06/09 16:34, Chuck Anderson wrote: Is there any pointer to best practices for packing a web application that provides static content, cgi scripts, integrates with Apache configuration, and works with SELinux? How should I

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 11:42 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) said: Removing support for still-functional hardware is a trademark of Microsoft, not Linux. I'd also argue that doing another full rebuild of the OS for a 1% performance gain on a single

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread King InuYasha
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote: Seth Vidal wrote: 1. we're going to need split media for dvds - we're SOL there anyway - so the code will need to live on. Just kick out all the i18n stuff and you won't. It doesn't make sense to force people to

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:22 AM, King InuYashangomp...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu seems to do fine including quite a few language packs on their LiveCD while providing a decent desktop. Can you make me a full accurate list of the languages supported on the Ubuntu LiveCD. -jef --

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jonathan Dieter (jdie...@gmail.com) said: The 1% comes from i586 - i686; SSE2 would be additional on top of that. But given the vehement opposition, I can see dropping the SSE2 requirement. I'm still fairly convinced that going to i686 is the right move - we really don't support i586 as a

Fedora 11 Retrospective Recap

2009-06-16 Thread John Poelstra
Fedora 11 Retrospective Recap 2009-06-16 Wiki version: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective_Notes Invitees: Cross section of people and leads from each group: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective_Invitees Attendees: James Laska, Bruno Wolff, Jóhann B.

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Charles Butterfield wrote: * My supported NVIDIA card (Quadro NVS 295) Supported by what? Who said it's supported? If it's NVidia, that's irrelevant, as their driver is proprietary and NOT supported or included in Fedora. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12? DO NOT VOTE for Kevin Kofler!

2009-06-16 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen
- Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: No, we could just drop support for it and have FedoraUnity decide whether they want to fork Anaconda (and no longer be able to use the Fedora name) or just stop shipping split media. Kevin Kofler Rock on, let this be an example

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12? DO NOT VOTE for Kevin Kofler!

2009-06-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: - Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: No, we could just drop support for it and have FedoraUnity decide whether they want to fork Anaconda (and no longer be able to use the Fedora name) or just stop shipping split media.

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 22:56 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 06:01:14PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Because that's significantly less of our userbase. I'd love to have harder numbers, but we're still talking about a set of CPUs that (outside of corner cases like the Geode

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 11:42 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) said: Removing support for still-functional hardware is a trademark of Microsoft, not Linux. I'd also argue that doing another full rebuild of the OS for a 1% performance gain on a single

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Steven M. Parrish
Way back when in February [1], FESCo decided that for Fedora 11, i586 would be the default architecture, and for Fedora 12, it would be some variant of i686. It's time to follow through on that action item. I've submitted https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support. It defines the

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread King InuYasha
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 11:42 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) said: Removing support for still-functional hardware is a trademark of Microsoft, not Linux. I'd also argue that doing

Re: using CD/DVD as media

2009-06-16 Thread David
On 6/16/2009 4:05 PM, Muayyad AlSadi wrote: hello, I filed RFE bugs claiming that in fedora we have no way to use the DVD as a repo including PK, yum cli,yumex, apt-get, smart, ... I tried all the tools and non can add a DVD as a media repo all my bugs were closed by Bug Zappers and

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread King InuYasha
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 11:42 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) said: Removing support for still-functional hardware is a trademark of Microsoft, not Linux. I'd also argue that doing

Re: mount shows dm-* instead og dev/mapper/*

2009-06-16 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 07:51:25PM +0200, Laurent Jacquot wrote: Le lundi 15 juin 2009 à 14:48 +0200, Karel Zak a écrit : We need to backport commit 4271e23942bdc60e1fa6c0b26bc666a94a8b3e1d Author: Karel Zak k...@redhat.com Date: Mon Apr 27 15:00:57 2009

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: No, we could just drop support for it and have FedoraUnity decide whether they want to fork Anaconda (and no longer be able to use the Fedora name) or just stop shipping split media. and one of the FedoraUnity folks responded by posting a rant on his blog about how I am against the

Re: GDM Language list...

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill Nottingham wrote: The desktop spin in F11 still had language groups, AFAIK. Uh no it doesn't, kde-l10n-* doesn't fit... oh wait, you mean the GNOME spin! ;-) There's more than one desktop around. Why can't the GNOME spin be called GNOME spin? Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list

Re: Split Media - A use case

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill McGonigle wrote: One population I've been recommending for Fedora lately is folks with Apple PPC gear which has been abandoned by Apple. Devices like iBooks often came standard with CD-ROM. PPC is planned to become a secondary architecture in Fedora 13. At that point, it will be up to

Re: Split Media - A use case

2009-06-16 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:40:07AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bill McGonigle wrote: One population I've been recommending for Fedora lately is folks with Apple PPC gear which has been abandoned by Apple. Devices like iBooks often came standard with CD-ROM. PPC is planned to become a secondary

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 01:01 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The question is not *if* Fedora Unity would take on that burden, the question is whether upstream will let us. Upstream accepts reasonable patches. It happens all the time. Of course, what also happens all the time is multiple

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 00:30 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: Your signature promotes freedom^2 but this pisses you off? The reasoning behind it is what irks me. It really seems to come down to I'm just going to do it so neener neener neener :p Whether or not it is a good idea to continue

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:11:11 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 01:01 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The question is not *if* Fedora Unity would take on that burden, the question is whether upstream will let us. Upstream accepts reasonable patches. It

Please quit the nonsense, Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12? DO NOT VOTE for Kevin Kofler!

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Please read my clarification in the thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01389.html to see what I'm really up to. Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: Rock on, let this be an example of the leadership the community can expect if Kevin is elected. Hold the community

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 19:36 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: there is an interesting issue; if you poke a hole in your firewall for all the ports that are listening automatically. you might as well not have a firewall in the first place... Well, not exactly. For instance, making it

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 16:39 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 19:36 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: there is an interesting issue; if you poke a hole in your firewall for all the ports that are listening automatically. you might as well not have a firewall in the

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:15:54 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 00:30 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: Your signature promotes freedom^2 but this pisses you off? The reasoning behind it is what irks me. It really seems to come down to I'm just going to do

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-12

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Ebourne wrote: Clearly the human volunteer idea didn't work. It was a shambles that there were so many meetings with no minutes or even transcripts coming out of them. Didn't look at all good for an open project. It worked until it was decided that having one volunteer is not fair (or

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 01:37 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: Dear Jesse, you yourself do not accept patches beyond what you then, at that moment, think are applicable use-cases of Fedora Project Release Engineering only to work something up yourself two weeks later. Yes, if I didn't like

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: We've also seen upstream reject very reasonable patches -that were in the upstream repo already, authored by @redhat.com of course- be cherry-picked to another branch for whatever reason I've offered to help with (some QA concerns for one). That's the other side of

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 12:22 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Casey Dahlincdah...@redhat.com wrote: The ability for nautilus to prompt for credentials when the user tries to do something outside his permission level has been missing for far too long. Its

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Adam Miller
On 6/16/09, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: I honestly don't care whether or not it's influenced by what I think. I just wish you project put some thought and effort into discovering why people ask for or download split CDs other than just shutting off

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: Yes, if I didn't like the patch, or how it was done, I didn't accept it. Just like any other upstream. Did I use your exact code when I did it myself two weeks later? Probably not. Speaking of rel-eng patches, what happened to my patch to the EVR checker to properly

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:48:07 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 01:37 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: Dear Jesse, you yourself do not accept patches beyond what you then, at that moment, think are applicable use-cases of Fedora Project Release

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 02:05 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Speaking of rel-eng patches, what happened to my patch to the EVR checker to properly support testing repos (e.g. updates-testing, but the code is general enough to also work for things like RPM Fusion's or EPEL's testing repos)?

Re: Heads up: NoArch Sub Packages Feature continues

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Seth Vidal wrote: read that again? You would expect higher ver i386 to install over x86_64 ON an x86_64 box? I'd expect that too. There's certainly a reason why the current version is not available natively, if not, it's a bug in the repo. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 01:43 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: If by better alternatives you mean LiveCDs, please note that these do not allow one to upgrade the existing Fedora installation, nor do they allow as much flexibility in configuration during the installation procedure. Any upgrade

Re: Heads up: NoArch Sub Packages Feature continues

2009-06-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: read that again? You would expect higher ver i386 to install over x86_64 ON an x86_64 box? I'd expect that too. There's certainly a reason why the current version is not available natively, if not, it's a bug in the

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 19:50 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said: Way back when in February [1], FESCo decided that for Fedora 11, i586 would be the default architecture, and for Fedora 12, it would be some variant of i686. It's time to follow through

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 16:17 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Its the next circle, the less frequent administrative chore tasks, that I'm not sure its well defined in terms of which applications need PolKit support added in. Maybe Nautilus is that circle, maybe its not. Maybe its not time to start

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jeremy Sanders wrote: Why not leave it be and suggest people move to the less brain dead x86-64 instead? Innovation and legacy support. Crazy suggestion: What if we make 32-bit x86 a secondary arch and keep only x86_64 as primary? ;-) Of course, that'd be pretty radical and it's likely too

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bruno Wolff III wrote: Is there going to be a way to tell which binaries actually use sse2 instructions, so that the others can be inherited by a secondary arch? Due to how GCC works, if the compiler flags enable SSE/SSE2, basically all the binaries will be using some SSE/SSE2 instructions.

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 02:38 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: User: I only have a CD-ROM, what do I do? Fedora: We know you wanted to install a different set of packages, but here's a LiveCD that you can then tweak after the installation, to get the packages you originally wanted. Ohw, and

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 08:16:36PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: 2009/6/16 梁穗隆 I hear that Fedora administrator will change the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12. The default arch is i686+SSE2. In my opinion, I do not want to change it. Or only change to i686. SSE2 is not necessary.

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 08:16:36PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: - Let's keep F-12 the same: ppc, ppc64, i586, x86_64 - Since ppc and ppc64 are going to be dropped from F-13, fill in the blank spot with i686+SSE2, i.e. F-13: i586, i686+SSE2,

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:56:58 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: Something else not terribly unreasonable, instead of split CD media, a single CD offered that is netinst.iso plus the contents of @core and @base if it'll fit on a CD. Then they can do whatever custom install they

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: For as far as Fedora is concerned (not third party repositories) at least it seems obvious that our update process is somewhat flawed in this aspect, breaking the upgrade path. And that's why preupgrade exists. Any upgrading method not relying on the network will

Re: Porting amarok-1.4 to F11

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ingvar Hagelund wrote: But amarok-2.x does not (yet) support non-hardware (that is, not found by HAL) mounts. What would such a non-hardware mount be? Are you trying to use a partition or directory on your computer as a fake iPod? Why? Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-16 Thread Mani A
Adam Miller maxamill...@gmail.com wrote: Jesse Keating wrote:   I honestly don't care whether or not it's influenced by what I think.  I   just wish you project put some thought and effort into discovering why   people ask for or download split CDs other than just shutting off your   brain at

Re: using CD/DVD as media

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Muayyad AlSadi wrote: I filed RFE bugs claiming that in fedora we have no way to use the DVD as a repo including PK, yum cli,yumex, apt-get, smart, ... I tried all the tools and non can add a DVD as a media repo Note that this is of only very limited usefulness because packages often have

Re: using CD/DVD as media

2009-06-16 Thread David
On 6/16/2009 10:16 PM, Mani A wrote: David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: To have the DVD *always* as a source to check for packages is a pain in the neck IMO. Mandriva does that. The install DVD is a default source. *Every time* that you try to *install*, or *update*, you have to find and

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-16 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 06/16/2009 07:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 12:22 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Casey Dahlincdah...@redhat.com wrote: The ability for nautilus to prompt for credentials when the user tries to do something outside his

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-16 Thread Alexander Boström
Den 2009-06-17 03:07, Josh Boyer skrev: Someone else ask what the real benefit to moving to i686+SSE2 is. I haven't seen overwhelming evidence that a huge benefit exists. I think somone is working on gathering more data, but unless it shows massive gains To be relevant, such data gathering

[Bug 505576] perl-PAR-Packer not built with $RPM_OPT_FLAGS

2009-06-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505576 Marcela Maslanova mmasl...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

rpms/rt3/EL-5 .cvsignore, 1.6, 1.7 README.fedora.in, 1.2, 1.3 rt3.spec, 1.25, 1.26 sources, 1.8, 1.9

2009-06-16 Thread Xavier Bachelot
Author: xavierb Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/rt3/EL-5 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv25734 Modified Files: .cvsignore README.fedora.in rt3.spec sources Log Message: rt 3.6.8 [SECURITY] Index: .cvsignore

rpms/perl-MooseX-Types/F-10 perl-MooseX-Types.spec, 1.4, 1.5 sources, 1.4, 1.5

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Types/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31627 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Types.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 16 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.12-1 - auto-update to 0.12 (by cpan-spec-update

rpms/perl-MooseX-Types/F-11 perl-MooseX-Types.spec, 1.8, 1.9 sources, 1.5, 1.6

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Types/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31216 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Types.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 16 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.12-1 - auto-update to 0.12 (by cpan-spec-update

rpms/perl-MooseX-AttributeHelpers/F-11 perl-MooseX-AttributeHelpers.spec, 1.11, 1.12 sources, 1.8, 1.9

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-AttributeHelpers/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv672 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-AttributeHelpers.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 16 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.19-1 - drop br on CPAN -

rpms/perl-MooseX-AttributeHelpers/F-10 perl-MooseX-AttributeHelpers.spec, 1.10, 1.11 sources, 1.8, 1.9

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-AttributeHelpers/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv1080 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-AttributeHelpers.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 16 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.19-1 - drop br on CPAN -

rpms/perl-MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast/F-11 perl-MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast.spec, 1.2, 1.3 sources, 1.2, 1.3

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv2586 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast.spec sources Log Message: * Sun May 31 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.00900-1

rpms/perl-MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast/F-10 perl-MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast.spec, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.2, 1.3

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv2852 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast.spec sources Log Message: * Sun May 31 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.00900-1

rpms/perl-MooseX-Getopt/F-11 perl-MooseX-Getopt.spec, 1.8, 1.9 sources, 1.5, 1.6

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Getopt/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3130 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Getopt.spec sources Log Message: * Sat Apr 25 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.18-1 - update to 0.18 Index:

rpms/perl-MooseX-Getopt/F-10 perl-MooseX-Getopt.spec, 1.7, 1.8 sources, 1.5, 1.6

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Getopt/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3351 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Getopt.spec sources Log Message: * Sat Apr 25 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.18-1 - update to 0.18 Index:

rpms/perl-MooseX-Log-Log4perl/F-11 perl-MooseX-Log-Log4perl.spec, 1.2, 1.3 sources, 1.2, 1.3

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Log-Log4perl/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4295 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Log-Log4perl.spec sources Log Message: * Tue May 26 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.40-2 - add br on CPAN Index:

rpms/perl-MooseX-Log-Log4perl/F-10 perl-MooseX-Log-Log4perl.spec, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.2, 1.3

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Log-Log4perl/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4574 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Log-Log4perl.spec sources Log Message: * Tue May 26 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.40-2 - add br on CPAN Index:

rpms/perl-MooseX-MethodAttributes/F-11 sources,1.1,1.2

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-MethodAttributes/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4865 Modified Files: sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 09 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.14-1 - auto-update to 0.14 (by cpan-spec-update 0.01) Index:

rpms/perl-MooseX-Object-Pluggable/F-11 perl-MooseX-Object-Pluggable.spec, 1.9, 1.10 sources, 1.5, 1.6

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Object-Pluggable/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv5153 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Object-Pluggable.spec sources Log Message: * Wed May 20 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.0011-1 - auto-update to 0.0011

rpms/perl-MooseX-Object-Pluggable/F-10 perl-MooseX-Object-Pluggable.spec, 1.7, 1.8 sources, 1.5, 1.6

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Object-Pluggable/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv5527 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Object-Pluggable.spec sources Log Message: * Wed May 20 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.0011-1 - auto-update to 0.0011

rpms/perl-MooseX-Role-Parameterized/F-11 perl-MooseX-Role-Parameterized.spec, 1.4, 1.5 sources, 1.4, 1.5

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Role-Parameterized/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7061 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Role-Parameterized.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 16 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.09-2 - drop README,

rpms/perl-MooseX-Role-Parameterized/F-10 perl-MooseX-Role-Parameterized.spec, 1.2, 1.3 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Role-Parameterized/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7280 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Role-Parameterized.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 16 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.09-2 - drop README,

rpms/perl-MooseX-Singleton/F-11 perl-MooseX-Singleton.spec, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.2, 1.3

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Singleton/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7514 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Singleton.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 02 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.17-1 - auto-update to 0.17 (by

rpms/perl-MooseX-Singleton/F-10 perl-MooseX-Singleton.spec, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.2, 1.3

2009-06-16 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-MooseX-Singleton/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7795 Modified Files: perl-MooseX-Singleton.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Jun 02 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.17-1 - auto-update to 0.17 (by

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