Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Mike Valentine
I'm not trying to start something, however your definition of affordable cost leaves me a little mystified. The overwhelming costs to do VHF/UHF (whether as an SDR or not) include every component of a transverter: Mixers, oscillators, band-pass filters, power amplifier modules, T/R switching,

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
-- From: Les Rayburn l...@highnoonfilm.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:17 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware The demise of the 5000 points out a reality that I hope the folks at Flex will latch onto quickly. Namely, that just because something

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
Les: I totally agree with that. 73 AGN, Bill, W3XO -- From: Les Rayburn l...@highnoonfilm.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:37 PM To: Ken Alexander k.alexan...@rogers.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
-- From: Neal Campbell nealk...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:53 PM To: l...@highnoonfilm.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware There are different strategies in introducing new technology. One

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:50 PM To: Ron Kolarik rkola...@neb.rr.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I disagree. SDR changes the paradigm because it would allow a manufacturer to offer bands like 222 or 902 that are not available worldwide

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware You'll get a lot of these corrections, but the TH-F6A does 220. Not that you'll find anyone out there. 73, Mickey N4MB On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Michael Hasenfratz mi...@tothe.net wrote: I was told

[Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Les Rayburn
The demise of the 5000 points out a reality that I hope the folks at Flex will latch onto quickly. Namely, that just because something can be firmware or software updated, that doesn't mean that it has a longer shelf life than a traditional consumer product. I'm in the market now for a new

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Ken Alexander
My only hope is that Flex continues to produce affordable transceivers and not just megabuck rigs that are totally beyond my reach. Game-changers are nice for those who can afford them, but if Flex can't offer something for $2000 or less, then I have no choice but to look elsewhere. 73, Ken

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Les Rayburn
I have to agree with Ken. The new boxes from Flex are indeed impressive, but way out of my price range. Personally, I'd prefer to see an SDR for VHF-UHF operation that offers operation on 2 Meters, 222, 432, 902, and possibly 1296. If it would serve the needs of weak signal operators, FM, and

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Edwin Marzan
: k.alexan...@rogers.com Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:31:55 -0400 To: l...@highnoonfilm.com CC: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware My only hope is that Flex continues to produce affordable transceivers and not just megabuck rigs that are totally beyond

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Neal Campbell
There are different strategies in introducing new technology. One is to introduce new technology on the low priced tier of your products knowing that the top tier segment is quite conservative and resistant to change. One the technology migrates from low price to high price products, its proven

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Ross Stenberg
When the radio is available without the signatures, that will be a good sign (no pun intended). -Original Message- From: Neal Campbell Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:53 PM To: l...@highnoonfilm.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Neal Campbell
: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware There are different strategies in introducing new technology. One is to introduce new technology on the low priced tier of your products knowing that the top tier segment is quite conservative and resistant

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Ron Kolarik
:37 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I have to agree with Ken. The new boxes from Flex are indeed impressive, but way out of my price range. Personally, I'd prefer to see an SDR for VHF-UHF operation that offers operation on 2 Meters, 222, 432, 902, and possibly

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Les Rayburn
I disagree. SDR changes the paradigm because it would allow a manufacturer to offer bands like 222 or 902 that are not available worldwide at an affordable cost. It also allows a single RF deck to serve the many multiple facets of amateur radio such as weak signal work, satellites, digital

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Patrick Greenlee
-Original Message- From: Les Rayburn Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:50 PM To: Ron Kolarik Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I disagree. SDR changes the paradigm because it would allow a manufacturer to offer bands like 222 or 902

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Tony Estep
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Les Rayburn l...@highnoonfilm.com wrote: .How long before Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood begin to offer SDR models too?... Well, in many cases it's not hard to get IF out from an xcvr, feed that into an LP-Pan or SDR-IQ, and feed the resulting I-Q into

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Hasenfratz
And the the high end radios from the big 3 are only twice as much as the 6700 and three times as much as the 6500. Michael Hasenfratz Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. On May 20, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Les

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Hasenfratz
the Bronx AB2VW From: k.alexan...@rogers.com Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:31:55 -0400 To: l...@highnoonfilm.com CC: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware My only hope is that Flex continues to produce affordable transceivers and not just

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Hasenfratz
...@rogers.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I have to agree with Ken. The new boxes from Flex are indeed impressive, but way out of my price range. Personally, I'd prefer to see an SDR for VHF-UHF

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Mickey Baker
: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I have to agree with Ken. The new boxes from Flex are indeed impressive, but way out of my price range. Personally, I'd prefer to see an SDR for VHF-UHF operation that offers operation on 2 Meters, 222, 432, 902, and possibly 1296

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Hasenfratz
-radio.biz Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I have to agree with Ken. The new boxes from Flex are indeed impressive, but way out of my price range. Personally, I'd prefer to see an SDR for VHF-UHF operation that offers

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Jon Hall
The issue with flex radios as they currently exist isn't that you won't be able to get a case if you somehow destroy yours. It's that Flex will stop supporting the software. If the software isn't actively developed it will soon not run on current computer technology. What happens when Microsoft

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Tony Estep
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Jon Hall jh...@hallsweb.org wrote: ...I believe the Signature series overcomes this somewhat by moving the computer back into the radio = Correct. However, not everybody saw it that way. When some of the cognoscenti began to discuss the probable

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Dave AA6YQ
- From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jon Hall Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:44 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware The issue with flex radios as they currently exist isn't that you won't be able to get a case