On May 24, 2005 07:45 am, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
for (3): use as few textures as possible; You can:
- edit material.xml and let it share textures (only one wood
texture) or start fgfs in the desert :-)
- use aircraft with few and small textures (hint: avoid the MD-11
:-) -
Okay, these animations all work nicely now.
The attachment contains what I have done so far. Control surfaces that are
working are the ailerons, flaps and spoilers. Control surfaces that aren't
working are the elevators and I can use some help with them. I have put
off doing the rudders
Do the elevators and the trim works for you?
Regards,
Ampere
On May 24, 2004 02:34 pm, Durk Talsma wrote:
Okay, these animations all work nicely now.
The attachment contains what I have done so far. Control surfaces that
are working are the ailerons, flaps and spoilers. Control surfaces
Hmm, actually, it's kinda funny. I was originally only confirming your
observation that ailerons, flaps and spoilers were animating correcty on a
different system. But your question triggered my curiosity, and I decided to
explore the 3ds file a litte bit. I found that the objects named
On May 24, 2004 04:54 pm, Durk Talsma wrote:
Hmm, actually, it's kinda funny. I was originally only confirming your
observation that ailerons, flaps and spoilers were animating correcty on a
different system. But your question triggered my curiosity, and I decided
to explore the 3ds file a
I did a check in 3D Studio and it shows that the name of these objects does
indeed end with an 'H'. I re-exported the model again but these particular
control surfaces still don't move if I refer to them as whateverH in the XML
file. So this prompt me to check the actual 3ds file rather than
Sorry for taking so long. I have been messing around with the model to make
it more accurate. I have removed some parts for now, so don't be surprise if
you find the engines are missing.
The attachment contains what I have done so far. Control surfaces that are
working are the ailerons,
Hi Innis,
On Mon, 17 May 2004 10:13:25 +0800
Innis Cunningham wrote:
When doing my B717, I used qcad to measure things from these
drawings. Like engine placement, pilot viewpoint and also got me
started with the 3D model (which isn't finished yet, so if someone
wants to finish the 3D
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 07:09:21PM -0400, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
I have been doing some hunting lately; namely, looking for information
regarding the MD-11's flightdeck: dimensions, layout, technical diagrams,
etc. I have tried many search keywords on the Internet, my local library, as
Hi Manuel
Manuel Bessler Writes
When doing my B717, I used qcad to measure things from these drawings.
Like engine placement, pilot viewpoint and also got me started with
the 3D model (which isn't finished yet, so if someone wants to finish
the 3D model... raise your hand :-)
The jsbsim aero file
Have you checked this page:
http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/3d_view.html
It contains .dxf drawings of the different Boeings (and MD/DCs)
A GOLD MINE!
I searched high and low and I have never found stuff like that... and it is so
close too! I visit the Boeing's website
I have been doing some hunting lately; namely, looking for information
regarding the MD-11's flightdeck: dimensions, layout, technical diagrams,
etc. I have tried many search keywords on the Internet, my local library, as
well as my university's library. So far, I have no luck.
I was
On Sat, 15 May 2004 19:09:21 -0400
Ampere K. Hardraade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been doing some hunting lately; namely, looking for information
regarding the MD-11's flightdeck: dimensions, layout, technical
diagrams, etc. I have tried many search keywords on the Internet, my
local
Sorry for the delay. Some control surfaces don't look right since the
beginning, so I had to redo them. Figuring out what to do took me one day;
actually doing it and doing measurments took a day; doing the script took
another.
The script is in the lower half section of this E-mail.
Hi Ampere,
I just tried your animation file. All I had to change were the lines that read
property/controls/rudder/property to
property/controls/flight/rudder/property
and then I saw a nicely animated rudder appearing.
Weird how the X-axis runs lengthwise in FlightGear, while the Y-axis
Hi Ampere
If I gave the impression that I wanted to do some or all
of the animations that was not my intention.
I just ran a bit of animation code to see if FG had any
problems reading 3DS scripts and it did not.
I put the code below into the animation file and it
seems to work fine if that is any
On Tuesday 11 May 2004 08:31, Innis Cunningham wrote:
Well Ampere the good news is that FG is quite happy
to animate using the 3DS file.
Another piece of good news is that the ground trimming problems have been
solved by Mathias Frolich. His proposed solution is currently under
investigation
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 07:04:03PM -0400, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
Weird how the X-axis runs lengthwise in FlightGear, while the Y-axis runs
sideway.
No, that's not weird, that's standard in aeronautical engineering!
(with the z-axis pointing down, btw.)
Cheers,
-Gerhard
--
Gerhard Wesp
Durk Talsma wrote:
Hi Ampere,
I just tried your animation file. All I had to change were the lines
that read property/controls/rudder/property to
property/controls/flight/rudder/property and then I saw a nicely
animated rudder appearing.
Just a heads up for every body again, Don't add the
On Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2004 09:56, Erik Hofman wrote:
Just a heads up for every body again, Don't add the leading slash to the
animation property (property/controls/flight/rudder/property) but
use relative paths instead (propertycontrols/flight/rudder/property)
This allows the AIModel code to
Mathias Fröhlich wrote:
On Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2004 09:56, Erik Hofman wrote:
Just a heads up for every body again, Don't add the leading slash to the
animation property (property/controls/flight/rudder/property) but
use relative paths instead (propertycontrols/flight/rudder/property)
This allows
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
Weird how the X-axis runs lengthwise in FlightGear, while the Y-axis
runs sideway.
What convention would you have chosen? :)
Coordinate systems are like cuisines. There's no accounting for
taste, and you can't fix things by mixing them together.
Andy
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Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] MD-11 Good News
Mathias Fröhlich wrote:
May be this 'do not use a leading slach' should also show up in that
model animation HOWTO?
Or even generate a runtime warning during
Mathias Fröhlich wrote:
May be this 'do not use a leading slach' should also show up in that
model animation HOWTO?
Or even generate a runtime warning during parsing. This is a really
easy typo to make.
Andy
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Mathias Fröhlich wrote:
May be this 'do not use a leading slach' should also show up in that
model animation HOWTO?
Or even generate a runtime warning during parsing. This is a really
easy typo to make.
I guess both are excellent ideas. I
Giles Robertson wrote:
How often do people need to specify the state of gear etc globally? I can't, offhand, think of a point at which you want all the aircraft in the world how drop the gear. Considering this, is the typo easy enough to make that we ought to change the behaviour? - or is this
On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 23:16, Durk Talsma wrote:
On Tuesday 11 May 2004 08:31, Innis Cunningham wrote:
Well Ampere the good news is that FG is quite happy
to animate using the 3DS file.
Another piece of good news is that the ground trimming problems have been
solved by Mathias Frolich.
There is no need to reposition the pivots, and I would like to avoid doing
that if possible.
http://flightgear.org/Docs/fgfs-model-howto.html
Search for the phrase For the point through which the axis passes, you use
the /center/x-m, /center/y-m, and /center/z-m properties to specify a
Okay, let try something simple first.
URudder and LRudder pass through the following coordinates:
[54.3,0,6.25] [58.3,0,12.24]
Displacement of the two points in vector is:
[4,0,5.99]
I believe the XML will be this:
animation
typerotate/type
object-nameURudder/object-name
Hi Guys
Ampere K. Hardraade writes
I went in to attach everything, then detach everything again so now all
the
object's pivot align at [0,0,-5.96]. It would seem that the code that
reads
3ds files takes the position of the objects relative to their pivot instead
of the object's true location.
Well Ampere the good news is that FG is quite happy
to animate using the 3DS file.
I just did a quick check using the elevator code out
of the 737 and what was animated moved just the
pivot point was all wrong but the surfaces moved
ok.So what you need to do is work out the pivot
system in 3DS and
On Tuesday 11 May 2004 07:31, Innis Cunningham wrote:
Well Ampere the good news is that FG is quite happy
to animate using the 3DS file.
I just did a quick check using the elevator code out
of the 737 and what was animated moved just the
pivot point was all wrong but the surfaces moved
ok.So
Hi Ampere,
I'm not sure what exactly you changed between your last two mails, but in both
cases the MD11 model looks pretty good now. I take it that you have not
modelled the landing gears yet?
About the control surfaces. I'm not exactly sure what the best approach will
be. I'm pretty much a
I'm not sure what exactly you changed between your last two mails, but in
both cases the MD11 model looks pretty good now.
I went in to attach everything, then detach everything again so now all the
object's pivot align at [0,0,-5.96]. It would seem that the code that reads
3ds files takes
Hi Ampere
Ampere K. Hardraade writes
Did you
intend converting it to texture it??.
I can apply the textures in 3D Studio. To be honest, I don't have much
experience on doing textures. However, I don't think I will have much
problems creating the textures since the logo for various airlines
Frederic Bouvier wrote:
[texture dimensions]
They can be rectangular but each dimension must be a power of 2. 16x16,
16x32
or even 1x128 are ok.
Note that this is part of the opengl spec, and not a particular
limitation of plib. Some scene graph libs will silently resize textures
to be
It really got fixed this time: http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/MD-11.3ds
Sorry for the inconvinence.
Regards,
Ampere
On May 7, 2004 09:13 pm, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
Try it now: http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/MD-11.3ds
Regards
Ampere
On May 7, 2004 07:23 pm, Durk Talsma wrote:
Yes, looks really nice now. I'll try and see if I can get the view offset
right tonight.
Cheers,
Durk
On Saturday 08 May 2004 20:38, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
It really got fixed this time: http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/MD-11.3ds
Sorry for the inconvinence.
Regards,
Ampere
I have re-exported the model again. It should be *bug free* now.
When do you like to have the axis information for the control surfaces?
Regards,
Ampere
On May 8, 2004 03:20 pm, Durk Talsma wrote:
Yes, looks really nice now. I'll try and see if I can get the view offset
right tonight.
Hi Ampere
See JPG for how the MD11 appeared in FG9.2 and 9.4.
Maybe someone on the list has a simple answer.I don't
think it is anything at my end.
Cheers
Innis
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On Friday 07 May 2004 07:56, Innis Cunningham wrote:
Hi Ampere
See JPG for how the MD11 appeared in FG9.2 and 9.4.
Maybe someone on the list has a simple answer.I don't
think it is anything at my end.
Innis,
You just beat me by about 30 seconds posting a screenshot. :-)
Anyways, here's
From: Durk Talsma
Sent: 07 May 2004 7:20 am
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] MD-11
On Friday 07 May 2004 07:56, Innis Cunningham wrote:
Hi Ampere
See JPG for how the MD11 appeared in FG9.2 and 9.4.
Maybe someone on the list has a simple answer.I
No, I think you two just crashed it :-)
pipped at the post...
Is this the plane where the three hydraulics systems pass adjacent to each
other next to the tail engine?
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Innis Cunningham wrote:
Hi Ampere
See JPG for how the MD11 appeared in FG9.2 and 9.4.
Maybe someone on the list has a simple answer.I don't
think it is anything at my end.
I got exactly the same when importing it in AC3D ...
Erik
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Innis Cunningham wrote:
See JPG for how the MD11 appeared in FG9.2 and 9.4.
Maybe someone on the list has a simple answer.I don't
think it is anything at my end.
Plib's 3DS loader tends to mess up the geometry -- I remember that from
experiments a year or two ago. I think that our only
Chris Horler wrote:
Is this the plane where the three hydraulics systems pass adjacent to each
other next to the tail engine?
It was its predecessor, the DC-10, that had the crash because of that; I'm
not sure what changes they made in the MD-11.
It is the plane that was involved in the
Sent: 07 May 2004 7:20 am
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] MD-11
On Friday 07 May 2004 07:56, Innis Cunningham wrote:
Hi Ampere
See JPG for how the MD11 appeared in FG9.2 and 9.4.
Maybe someone on the list has a simple answer.I don't
think
hmm everything is coming out of left handed... I think I know what might
be the problem. I think I may know a way to fix it.
Regards,
Ampere
On May 7, 2004 03:14 am, Innis Cunningham wrote:
Hi Durk
I have converted it to AC3D to allow me to move it around.
It appears that for what ever
Cool! Drop us a note, when you think you fixed it, and I'm sure Innis and I
are eager to compete for the next round of screenshots. :-)
Cheers,
Durk
On Friday 07 May 2004 18:58, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
hmm everything is coming out of left handed... I think I know what
might be the
On Fri, 7 May 2004 19:26:22 +0200
Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool! Drop us a note, when you think you fixed it, and I'm sure Innis
and I are eager to compete for the next round of screenshots. :-)
Cheers,
Durk
Someone sent me an MD-11 FDM for JSBSim a couple of weeks ago. I
don't
Hi Jon,
That was me. The problem was that upon initialization the aircraft tumbles
over and settles on the runway with a bang. Innis Cunningham discovered that
we could solve the problem in part by moving the main gears and CoG forward
to 850 units or less. We have a version in cvs now which
On Fri, 7 May 2004 20:03:22 +0200
Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jon,
That was me. The problem was that upon initialization the aircraft
tumbles
over and settles on the runway with a bang. Innis Cunningham
discovered that
we could solve the problem in part by moving the main gears
On Fri, 7 May 2004 18:45:56 +0200, Durk wrote in message
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Yeah, isn't it cool how an Aussie and a Dutchman manage to crash crash
this bird on opposite sides of the planet simultaneously, and manage
to scatter the debris around in _exactly_ the same pattern?? :-)
..wave
It is fixed: http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/MD-11.3ds
Regards,
Ampere
On May 7, 2004 01:26 pm, Durk Talsma wrote:
Cool! Drop us a note, when you think you fixed it, and I'm sure Innis and I
are eager to compete for the next round of screenshots. :-)
Cheers,
Durk
Cool! This is a huge improvement already:
http://members.chello.nl/d.talsma/md11-model-2.jpg
I'm still seeing a bit of a displacement to the right on some parts. Most
notably the wing flaps and some parts of the tail engine.
Cheers,
Durk
On Friday 07 May 2004 23:29, Ampere K. Hardraade
Hi Guys
Yep beat me this time but then I have to sleep.LOL
Great model Ampere.
I hope you can texture it from 3DS because when I
converted it to AC3D the file went from 120K to 1.2 meg
and wound not reduce in size.I dont know if this has to do
with any LOD structures you may have created.Did you
I hope you can texture it from 3DS because when I
converted it to AC3D the file went from 120K to 1.2 meg
and wound not reduce in size.I dont know if this has to do
with any LOD structures you may have created.
I think 3DS uses binary to store the data while AC3D uses ascii. That may
explain
Lee Elliott wrote:
Hello Ampere,
I think the only practical way you could have several different
liveries/colour schemes would be to include individual models, each one
textured differently.
I think there is a way ...
1. Create separate Model directories for each livery.
2. Copy the animation
Ampere,
Looking a the pictures it looks to me like you are still using two sided
polygons (that's why the ailerons and such are a lot brighter than the
rest, you've got the normals inverted).
To render a model really fast in FlightGear it would be best to use only
one sided polygons (although
Erik Hofman said:
Lee Elliott wrote:
Hello Ampere,
I think the only practical way you could have several different
liveries/colour schemes would be to include individual models, each one
textured differently.
I think there is a way ...
1. Create separate Model directories for
I've uploaded the 3ds file to the server. Here it is:
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/MD-11.3ds
I am crossing my fingers now. I hope it can be imported into the game without
any problem.
Regards,
Ampere
On May 6, 2004 01:56 am, Durk Talsma wrote:
On Thursday 06 May 2004 06:58, Ampere K.
Ampere,
Looking a the pictures it looks to me like you are still using two sided
polygons (that's why the ailerons and such are a lot brighter than the
rest, you've got the normals inverted).
To render a model really fast in FlightGear it would be best to use only
one sided polygons
On Saturday 01 May 2004 07:09, Jim Wilson wrote:
Ampere K. Hardraade said:
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply. I've just finished my exams earlier this week.
Here is what I have so far:
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050100.jpg
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050101.jpg
For the textures, I was wondering whether it will be possible to have a set of
textures for every airline. For example, if the player wants to fly KLM, the
command line can be --aircraft=MD-11-KLM; if the player wants to fly Swiss,
then the command line can be --aircraft=MD-11-Swiss. Can this
Hello Ampere,
I think the only practical way you could have several different
liveries/colour schemes would be to include individual models, each one
textured differently.
If FlightGear had a 'pre-hook' whereby some code could be run before FG
started, then that could be used to copy the
Ampere K. Hardraade said:
For the textures, I was wondering whether it will be possible to have a set of
textures for every airline. For example, if the player wants to fly KLM, the
command line can be --aircraft=MD-11-KLM; if the player wants to fly Swiss,
then the command line can be
Here is an update:
Current polycount ~4400:
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050601.jpg
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050602.jpg
2 Ailerons, 4 flaps, and 5 spoilers:
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050603.jpg
40 blades for each fan:
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050604.jpg
On Thursday 06 May 2004 06:58, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
The cockpit, landing gear wells and the textures will take a while to do;
plus the fact that this is my first time doing model for FlightGear, it
will probably be a good idea to put this model in game for now so we can
sort out any
On Thursday 06 May 2004 04:43, Jim Wilson wrote:
Ampere K. Hardraade said:
For the textures, I was wondering whether it will be possible to have a
set of textures for every airline. For example, if the player wants to
fly KLM, the command line can be --aircraft=MD-11-KLM; if the player
Jim Wilson wrote:
Ampere K. Hardraade said:
Does FlightGear support 3DS format?
Nice looking model! It does, because plib includes support for the 3DS
format. I'm not sure what limitations there are as far as configuring
animation is concerned. If there are issues there you can always use
On Saturday 01 May 2004 06:09, Jim Wilson wrote:
Ampere K. Hardraade said:
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply. I've just finished my exams earlier this week.
Here is what I have so far:
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050100.jpg
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050101.jpg
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply. I've just finished my exams earlier this week.
Here is what I have so far:
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050100.jpg
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050101.jpg
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050102.jpg
Does FlightGear support 3DS format?
Ampere K. Hardraade said:
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply. I've just finished my exams earlier this week.
Here is what I have so far:
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050100.jpg
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050101.jpg
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/2004050102.jpg
Does
Hi Innis,
I just sent my MD11 files to Erik, so hopefully they show up in CVS one of
these days. I haven't done any _systematic_ testing yet, so I can't confirm
whether or not the 850 units value is the absolute cut-off or not, but moving
both CoG and Main gear forward to less than 850 unit
On Sunday 25 April 2004 18:46, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
Hi,
If you guys want a MD-11 specifically for FlightGear, I think I may be able
to make one. I have 3D Max Studio but I'm not sure whether FlightGear
supports 3DS files.
Regards,
Ampere
Oh yes! A nice MD-11 3D model would be
On Saturday 24 April 2004 14:50, Erik Hofman wrote:
Innis Cunningham wrote:
Also the further back you put the CofG the higher off the ground the A/C
seems to start.
This almost sounds like and axis mismatch. Is the gear located in the
structural frame or in the body frame?
It actually
Durk Talsma wrote:
I feel it's still a bit premature, but if anybody wants to play with the MD11
files, I could offer them for cvs inclusion. Who should I send them to? Curt?
Erik?
I think Curtis is buried under audio bits.
You can sent it to me.
Erik
Hi Durk
I don't know if you have actually got the A/C to sit on the ground
correctly yet.But I have got both the 747 and MD11 to sit correctly
by making sure the CG figure is no further back than 850 X units and the
MLG figures also no further back than 850 X units any further back and the
model
Hi,
If you guys want a MD-11 specifically for FlightGear, I think I may be able to
make one. I have 3D Max Studio but I'm not sure whether FlightGear supports
3DS files.
Regards,
Ampere
On April 25, 2004 07:05 am, Innis Cunningham wrote:
Hi Durk
I don't know if you have actually got the
Hi Guys
I had a play with this last night by using the 737 FDM on the
747 and hacking it around to see what would happen and everything
worked ok till the CofG got over 850 X units(what do the units represent
inches
feet ??), or the MLG was moved back past 850 X units.I also noticed if the
CofG
Hi Erik
Erik Hofman writes
Innis Cunningham wrote:
Also the further back you put the CofG the higher off the ground the A/C
seems to start.
This almost sounds like and axis mismatch. Is the gear located in the
structural frame or in the body frame?
I am not sure what you mean.The gear is
Durk Talsma wrote:
On Thursday 22 April 2004 21:34, Jon S Berndt wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:49:25 +0200
Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, that's right. It happened in that order :-) When I first tried
loading the MD11, it appeared to initialize a few hundred feet above the
ground,
On Friday 23 April 2004 04:47, David Culp wrote:
When a JSBSim airplane begins in a bizarre position, or is tumbling, that
means that it failed the ground trimming routine. I've found that
aeromatic has a hard time generating large airplanes that will trim
properly. I've only been able to
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:03:15 +0200
Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm, I just played a bit with the main gears' position, moving them
backward
by just a bit, and right now, I have the situation where upon
initialization,
the aircraft tumbles over once and than settles with a bang on the
Can you email me your config file and engine file? I can try running
it in the standalone JSBSim and make some quick plots and see what I
can see.
Are you initializing on the runway? At altitude?
I'm initializing on the runway. Below sea level actually, but that shouldn't
make a
After visiting Jon Berndt's revamped JSBsim website and getting hooked on
heavies after my recent 747 tests, I decided to punch some MD-11 performance
data, which I picked up from http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/ into
aeromatic and --kinda to my surprise, being an aeronotical nono-- got
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:49:25 +0200
Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, that's right. It happened in that order :-) When I first tried
loading the MD11, it appeared to initialize a few hundred feet above the
ground, and
Hmm. I think this would be the first thing to address. I don't
On Thursday 22 April 2004 21:34, Jon S Berndt wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:49:25 +0200
Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, that's right. It happened in that order :-) When I first tried
loading the MD11, it appeared to initialize a few hundred feet above the
ground, and
Hmm. I
When I first tried
loading the MD11, it appeared to initialize a few hundred feet above the
ground, and
When a JSBSim airplane begins in a bizarre position, or is tumbling, that
means that it failed the ground trimming routine. I've found that aeromatic
has a hard time generating large
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