Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 9 mars 05, à 01:12, Glen Mazza a écrit : ...[Thanks also to Bertrand for sending Renaud our way. This is the second quality developer--Peter Herweg being the other--that we have gotten from him since I've been on this project.].. You're welcome - and you don't even know how many people I sent

Re: Merry Christmas everyone!

2004-12-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 23 déc. 04, à 20:56, Glen Mazza a écrit : ...(OK, think I got everybody... ;-) Thanks Glen...actually to go the full i18n route, here's a special one for Jeremias: Jöni wnachte! and Peter: Merry Christmas Mate! I reckon! -Bertrand smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic

Good news: Jeremias has been elected as an ASF member!

2004-12-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi FOP people, I have the great pleasure to announce that Jeremias Maerki has been elected as an ASF member at the last member's meeting during ApacheCon. I'm sure you will agree that this is well deserved, given all the energy that Jeremias has been pouring tirelessly in FOP, Batik, the XML

Re: XML Graphics: board concerns

2004-09-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 24 sept. 04, à 02:54, Glen Mazza a écrit : ...Ummm, wasn't Peter Herweg (whom Bertrand recommended) the FOP committer who brought JFOR into FOP, and the one who has maintained it for us since then?.. This part is not very relevant to the current discussion I think, but: I don't have a very

Re: XML Graphics: board concerns

2004-09-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Following Glen Mazza's comments, I realize he's meant to be on the XML Graphics PMC as well (IIUC). In this case I think I prefer not to be part of the PMC. This deserves some explanation: I find it very hard to communicate efficiently in email with Glen, this morning for example it took me

Re: XML Graphics: board concerns

2004-09-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 20 sept. 04, à 21:59, Jeremias Maerki a écrit : ...If one of the two would like to take the chair position I'd gladly restart a vote on that part... I'm happy with Jeremias (IIUC) being the proposed chairman, I don't want (or deserve by the way;-) the position. -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE] Luca Furini for Committer

2004-09-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 14 sept. 04, à 20:47, Simon Pepping a écrit : I propose that we make Luca Furini a member of the FOP team... +1 from a (very) inactive committer - having new people on board is Good News! -Bertrand

Re: Cocoon appears to be switching to 1.4

2004-03-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 3 mars 2004, à 10:27 Europe/Zurich, Chris Bowditch a écrit : Glen Mazza wrote: They're currently voting on the Cocoon side[1] to set 1.4 as the minimum JDK for their next 2.2 release. So far it looks good for approval. I'm not so sure it does, look at the 3rd mail in the thread:

apologies to Nikolai Grigoriev? (was: Just a small question...)

2004-02-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
executive summary: ARE YOU GUYS CRAZY? Le Jeudi, 5 fév 2004, à 21:28 Europe/Zurich, Nikolai Grigoriev a écrit : I realize I was wrong when I answered to this forum - I could not expect my words to be interpreted this way. Please disregard my previous message; I also unsubscribe from the list, to

Re: [VOTE] Andreas L. Delmelle for committer

2003-12-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 28 déc 2003, à 15:38 Europe/Zurich, Jeremias Maerki a écrit : In recognition for his contributions to this project I'd like to propose Andreas L. Delmelle as a FOP committer. He's active on both dev and user mailing lists for over 6 months now. He's actively helping out on the

Re: [VOTE] Clay Leeds for committer

2003-12-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 28 déc 2003, à 15:38 Europe/Zurich, Jeremias Maerki a écrit : In recognition for his contributions to this project I'd like to propose Web Maestro Clay Leeds as a FOP committer. He's active on both dev and user mailing lists for at least 1 year now. He's actively helping out on

Re: [VOTE] Chris Bowditch for Committer

2003-12-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 28 déc 2003, à 15:38 Europe/Zurich, Jeremias Maerki a écrit : In recognition for his contributions to this project I'd like to propose Chris Bowditch as a FOP committer. He's active on both dev and user mailing lists for at least 18 months now. He's actively helping out on the user

Re: [VOTE] Finn Bock for Committer

2003-12-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 21 déc 2003, à 22:53 Europe/Zurich, Glen Mazza a écrit : ...Therefore, I'm happy to nominate Finn Bock for committer--here's my +1. Seems like no one has voted on this yet? Must be this Christmas thing... Here's my +1 -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE] Peter Herweg for committer (WAS: problem applying latest RTF patch)

2003-11-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 24 nov 2003, à 23:03 Europe/Zurich, Victor Mote a écrit : Glen Mazza wrote: [Incidentally, this someone else can be Peter himself at this stage...I'd like to see a little bit more FOP-DEV/-USER ML communication from him, however the quality quantity of his patches have been very good.

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 12 sep 2003, à 20:51 Europe/Zurich, Glen Mazza a écrit : ...Thanks for taking the time to clarify your ideas on this issue. You're welcome - and in retrospect mine *was* a crazy idea indeed. This written communication thing again - had we been together around a table this would have

[proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi FOPpers, I'm making this a proposal instead of directly a vote, as there are two unusual things here: I've been recently (and rightly) moved to inactive committer status, and it hasn't been a long time since Peter submitted his patches. The reason I'm proposing him is that Peter is willing

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
something is wrong, before getting the cannons out. ...It would probably be best for the project for you to keep yourself inactive I guess this is for the active committers to decide . Ciao, Bertrand --- Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi FOPpers, I'm making this a proposal instead

Re: Place committers on inactive list?

2003-09-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 2 sep 2003, à 03:33 Europe/Zurich, Glen Mazza a écrit : ...Perhaps Karen, Arved and Bertrand should be added to the inactive list... No problem for me, I'd actually feel better being listed as inactive! -Bertrand - To

Re: Just a stupid question ... =P

2003-07-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
to the JVM that runs FOP would solve your problem. With Sun's JVMs this is done by adding -Xmx to the JVM command line, for example -Xmx 512m to make the JVM use 512 megabytes max. -- Bertrand Delacretaz independent consultant, Lausanne, Switzerland http://cvs.apache.org/~bdelacretaz

Re: Just a stupid question ... =P

2003-07-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 12 juil 2003, à 10:27 Europe/Zurich, Jeremias Maerki a écrit : lots-of-good-stuff-snipped/ ...If you think this is a stupid bug, then my all means sit down and try to fix it +1, I could not agree more ;-) -Bertrand

Re: [RTF] jfor progress

2003-07-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Victor, Thanks for your work! ...I *really* like the approach of having the independent package, and recommend that we use the same approach for other StructureRenderers, including MIF Yes, the StructureRenderer interface nicely decouples these renderers from the rest of FOP. Maybe a

Re: [FW:] RE: 0.20.5 release

2003-07-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 8 juil 2003, à 10:14 Europe/Zurich, Thomas Sporbeck a écrit : ...It might be a fundamental decision if FOP is a kind of toolbox for developers or if it should be an out of the box-product for nearly everyone - I think there's so much good ideas in it that everyone should be able to

Re: .cvsignore

2003-07-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 6 juil 2003, à 03:32 Europe/Zurich, Peter B. West a écrit : ...Speaking from blissful ignorance, I would speculate that the entries in .cvsignore must be ordinary files, not directories. CVS is going to navigate the tree anyway, but .cvsignore tells it what to do with the

Re: Java source encoding (was Re: [RTF] Jfor integration)

2003-07-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 4 juil 2003, à 21:12 Europe/Zurich, J.Pietschmann a écrit : Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Sure - it is by accident that comments in the jfor source code contains non-ASCII chars (in people's names IIRC). OOps, I didn't think about that. We could What I meant is that I think

Re: Java source encoding (was Re: [RTF] Jfor integration)

2003-07-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 3 juil 2003, à 21:16 Europe/Zurich, J.Pietschmann a écrit : ...And, uh, comment language is *english*, guys :-) Sure - it is by accident that comments in the jfor source code contains non-ASCII chars (in people's names IIRC). No problem in removing the accents! -Bertrand

Re: [RTF] Jfor integration

2003-06-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...Do you mind if I rework that a bit so that the standard header is intact, and then add the additional credits for the jfor team below?... No problem - I didn't know that checkstyle cared for this as well. -Bertrand - To

Re: [RTF] Jfor integration

2003-06-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 24 juin 2003, à 20:27 Europe/Zurich, Victor Mote a écrit : 1. org.jfor.jfor.interfaces (see rtf/rtflib/rtfdoc/IRtfTableContainer.java, line 56, for example) 2. org.jfor.jfor.tools (see rtf/rtflib/rtfdoc/RtfExternalGraphic.java, line 62, for example) obviously these are needed - sorry

Re: AW: Structure renderers area trees (Re: startup refactoring)

2003-06-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 23 juin 2003, à 10:35 Europe/Zurich, J.U. Anderegg a écrit : ... How do you plan to handle RTF styles? In jfor we defined an extension to XSL-FO (the jfor-style attribute) to control RTF styles. Another way would be to recognize sets of attribute values in the input XSL-FO and map

Re: AW: AW: Structure renderers area trees (Re: startup refactoring)

2003-06-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 23 juin 2003, à 12:08 Europe/Zurich, J.U. Anderegg a écrit : Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...In jfor we defined an extension to XSL-FO (the jfor-style attribute) to control RTF styles (1) This is not a FOP extension, but rather a fundamental change of the XSL-FO language, which does

Re: Structure renderers area trees (Re: startup refactoring)

2003-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 22 juin 2003, à 21:15 Europe/Zurich, Arnd Beißner a écrit : ...Before we're getting too philosophical, let me say that we're now talking two different issues: 1. Is it possible to develop a conforming XSL:FO implementation that produces RTF or MIF or similar ouput? Probably not,

Re: [RTF] Jfor integration

2003-06-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Victor, I have committed the classes from the jfor RTF library under org.apache.fop.rtf.rtflib. They don't compile out of the box, so I disabled their compilation in build.xml for now, didn't have time to look further. The next step would be to get them to compile, have the RTFHandler use

Re: [RTF] Jfor integration

2003-06-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Victor, If you're going to work on the RTFHandler I'd be happy to commit the relevant jfor sources (the RTF library I assume) to the FOP codebase with appropriate package name changes. As Jeremias mentions, it might be better if I do it myself so that the legal stuff is clear. I should be

Re: Nomination of Glen Mazza as committer

2003-06-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 16 juin 2003, à 02:12 Europe/Zurich, Victor Mote a écrit : ...However, I think it is appropriate to nominate Glen Mazza for committer status +1, welcome! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [VOTE] Conversion from src/org.. to src/java/org..

2003-03-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 7 mars 2003, à 17:39 Europe/Zurich, Jeremias Maerki a écrit : ...My main motivations for the move as such: - Easier handling of FOP in IDEs - Best practices confirmance - Finish what we (I) started +0.5, the IDE thing might be useful. As an option, we can also agree to do the same

Re: Integration of Peter's work

2003-01-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Peter B. West wrote: . . . What will be interesting here is the possibility of defining a set of structure events for integration with the structure renderers like RTF, and I hope we can have some fruitful discussions with Bertrand on this. Looks promising, let me know where to look when the

JforIntegrationInFop - background and guidelines

2002-12-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
for skiing (assuming snow comes) for a few days, so even quieter than usual. -- Bertrand Delacretaz (codeconsult.ch, jfor.org) buzzwords: XML, java, XSLT, Cocoon, FOP, mentoring/teaching/coding. blogspace http://www.codeconsult.ch/bertrand

FOP wiki pages moved

2002-12-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
As there is now an official Apache wiki [1], I moved the pages that were on my server to http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?FOPProjectPages Please do any further work on them there. They still need some cleanup after moving, I'll do it in January unless someone finds time to do it

Re: Happy Holidays

2002-12-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Happy Holidays team - I've been very quiet lately but this is *definitely* a good crowd, I wish I could spend more time here! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL

Re: Style guide (2nd update)

2002-12-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sunday 01 December 2002 22:26, Oleg Tkachenko wrote: . . . J.Pietschmann wrote: I think we should leverage final more often in FOP. At http://codeconsult.ch/wiki/index.php/FopDevelopersStyleGuide we've got +2 vs -2 on this point, so taking into acount your opinion it's +3 vs -2 now. I

Re: FOP Servlet, contrib stuff and tutorial

2002-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 09:36, Keiron Liddle wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 13:53, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . Problems that need to be addressed: - All Java sources need to be checked easily before a release (do they compile, do they work?). Could ant call help out here? No extra

Re: Style guide (2nd update)

2002-11-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 21 November 2002 17:16, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . The MUST part is very small and establishes some hard rules. I'll try to do the final layout in XML in a way that takes this into consideration. ok, cool! . . . By the way, due to common desire I added a few lines on exception

Re: Style guide (2nd update)

2002-11-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 21 November 2002 17:31, Oleg Tkachenko wrote: . . . final String myString = (String)myListIterator.next(); . . . How do you think, is this final specifier only a style oriented or it have some performance benefit also? I don't know about performance, but I use it all the time

Re: [VOTE] Victor as committer

2002-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 10:23, Keiron Liddle wrote: Plenty of eagerness shown already and I am sure he will do lots more for the project. Yes, agreed, here's my +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Style guide (update)

2002-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 15:15, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . .I've finally finished the first draft for our style guide... Thanks! I voted -1 on most TBD stuff, braces and spaces are not really important IMHO and I think it's good that the style guide stays as small as possible. -Bertrand

Re: Alt-Design status: XML handling

2002-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Great work Peter! It makes a lot of sense to use higher-level than SAX events, and thanks for explaining this so clearly. If you allow me a suggestion regarding the structure of the code: maybe using some table-driven stuff instead of the many if statements in FoSimplePageMaster would be more

Re: [VOTE] Victor as committer (votes from non-commiters)

2002-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 20:11, Rhett Aultman wrote: I thought everyone was allowed to use a vote to express their opinion. If I've gravely mistaken this, then I'll stop voting. I *think* it is so, that everyone is welcome to express their opinion. But as a mostly inactive committer I'm

Re: Getting breaks: revisited

2002-11-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 15 November 2002 09:30, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . .(does anyone even know what I am talking about) Not much on my side as the whole layout thing is still a mystery to me (because I have no experience in computing layouts and never took the time to study this part the code in detail).

Re: [OT] Apache committers meeting in german-speaking area

2002-11-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 15 November 2002 10:02, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . .There was the idea to organize a meeting among Apache committers next year in the german-speaking part of the world . . . I might be interested too, depending on where and when. I am subscribed to party@. -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE] Oleg for committer

2002-11-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:23, Keiron Liddle wrote: Hi Developers, I suggest we have a vote for Oleg to be a committer. If Oleg accepts then he can get on with making FOP great! +1 - welcome! -- Bertrand Delacrétaz (codeconsult.ch, jfor.org) buzzwords: XML, java, XSLT, Cocoon, FOP,

Re: Another Bugzilla URL

2002-11-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 November 2002 10:09, Victor Mote wrote: . . . BTW, I haven't found any doc on the mozilla site to help in building these URLs. If anyone knows of some, I would be grateful. . . . I don't think there's any other way than studying what the bugzilla query form sends when you

Re: [RT] Proprietary extension to fo:external-graphic

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 09:55, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . fo:external-graphic src=url(http://localhost/mydynamicimage) xmlns:fop=http://xml.apache.org/fop; fop:disable-caching=true/ . . . There are some fox: extensions already IIRC (never used them though, but

Re: [RT] Proprietary extension to fo:external-graphic

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 12:31, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . What sort of jfor extensions are there, what do they do? We have jfor:style to define RTF styles (similar to CSS classes in concept) on the generated RTF elements. A concept that does not exist in XSL-FO as it doesn't make sense

Re: forrest is coming?

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 10:03, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . Lots more to do but I think it is a good start. Great job indeed! I've also been looking at Forrest more closely recently, already very usable and looks even more promising. Need to brighten up or change the logo. Maybe we should

Re: feature request queue

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 14:58, Oleg Tkachenko wrote: . . . Patch queue looks very good, and what about introducing one more queue for feature requests? . . . I think these can be identified by the severity=enhancement field of bugzilla issues, isn't that sufficient? Maybe this must be

Re: interface instead of implementation

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 16:18, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . would you mind using the interface instead of the implementation where possible? big +1. The only drawback is when you need to clone Collections, but the benefits far outweigh this I think. Maybe a minimal best practices or

FOP developer's style guide? (Was: interface instead of implementation)

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 16:31, Rhett Aultman wrote: . . . Maybe we should seriously consider a FOP developer coding standard and start writing it down and putting it on the site. I'd offer to help with that. . . . How about using a wiki page (web page where everyone can very easily

Re: FOP developer's style guide? (Was: interface instead of implementation)

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Wow, that's a quick vote... I have setup the page at http://codeconsult.ch/wiki/index.php/FopDevelopersStyleGuide with a most basic style guide skeleton. I have to run now, but feel free to work on it. Make sure you keep copies of what you write, I cannot guarantee backups on this server yet.

Re: Line ending chaos in our codebase

2002-11-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 04 November 2002 23:53, Peter B. West wrote: . . .I don't know the mechanism for handling line-end differences on entry into a CVS repository on a unix box. . . . AFAIK as long as the binary file flag is not set, CVS takes care of line endings by itself when a file is checked out

Re: Line ending chaos in our codebase

2002-11-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 04 November 2002 17:02, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . .Does anyone have a good idea how to... 2. enforce correct line endings? Using the commitinfo administrative file, scripts can be configured in CVS to run when a file is committed, at which point you could detect the problem. I'm

Re: handling patches (how about fop 2)

2002-11-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Saturday 02 November 2002 10:35, Victor Mote wrote: . . .I would also recommend that, in the above case, we actually put the code into two different projects. . . . +1, I like the idea. How about moving the new code (HEAD) to a separate (xml-fop2) CVS project to clarify things, and maybe

Re: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 01 November 2002 16:51, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . .Maybe the simplest is to move the old layout to the trunk, get that working and put the new layout in a branch. But it needs to be agreed upon. . . . It would be great if the layout engine could be factored out as a component with a

[FYI] jfor integration jumpstarted...

2002-10-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I have added jfor-0.7.1.jar and its license to the lib subdirectory, and created a first version of an RTFHandler that outputs (very rough) RTF documents using the existing jfor RTF library [1]. build.sh examples now generates RTF documents, assuming the following is set in

Re: Fopping 1-12 to Jan-Dec

2002-10-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 28 October 2002 11:18, Guy D'haenens wrote: WHAT'S THIS? I DIDN'T WRITE THIS MESSAGE! I think the from: address is such that it is being rewritten by some part of your mail system before delivery, it happened here too. If you look at

Re: Where to start for an RTF renderer (was: New Developer Sugges tion)

2002-10-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Scott, . . .anyone who wants to do it will not offend me by going ahead and doing it without me. . . . We haven't had too many volunteers lately in this area, so this shouldn't be a problem. Just make sure to send your patches early, without waiting for your enhancements to be finished.

Re: New Developer Suggestion

2002-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Scott, On Wednesday 09 October 2002 16:20, Sauyet, Scott (OTS-HAR) wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion about something I could look at fixing / enhancing which is not mission-critical, but which might give me a chance to look at a fair bit of the code? The integration of jfor

Where to start for an RTF renderer (was: New Developer Suggestion)

2002-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Scott, On Wednesday 09 October 2002 17:15, Sauyet, Scott (OTS-HAR) wrote: . . . So is integrating other renderers something that the group would eventually like to do? . . . Yes, we've been talking about structure-based renderers (like RTF and MIF) vs. layout-based ones (PDF being the

Re: FO to RTF

2002-07-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 26 July 2002 20:05, J.U. Anderegg wrote: . . . RTF is the format of yesterday: better generate MicroSoft Office XML or Open Office XML. Depends on what you're aiming for. RTF is a terrible format, yes, but at least it allows documents to be opened by a fair number of wordprocessors.

Re: AW: FO to RTF

2002-07-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, I tentatively suggested using XSLT to generate RTF a little while ago, but I had no idea whether it was feasible. The main question would seem to be: is RTF a text-only format or a binary format? Can anyone answer that one for us? AFAIK, everything in RTF can be expressed with

Re: FO to RTF (new jfor license)

2002-07-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hello, On Friday 26 July 2002 10:20, Mulet, Jordi wrote: . . . We have started to experiment with jfor (FO-RTF) and we don't know the best path to follow and if there are plans to integrate jfor in FOP as a RTF renderer. . . . Note that the jfor license was recently changed to allow it to

Re: Licence short or long

2002-06-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 26 June 2002 22:42, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . We have the short form but it seems like we have to switch (back?) to the long form. . . . I agree, Stefano's message [1] in the thread you mention makes it clear, . . .the ASF board, to avoid confusion, wants everybody to stick

Re: For once Good news and a thank you

2002-06-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Jochen, Would it be thinkable for you to share examples of your XSL-FO documents, as good examples of what works well in FOP? The question of which constructs to use to get good performance come often, so I think it would be a worthwile addition to the project. If needed, I can send you a

StringWarper - obfuscates XML files (was: For once Good news and a thank you)

2002-06-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 13 June 2002 14:51, Ralph LaChance wrote: ooo, I could use that ! You'll find it at http://codeconsult.ch/download/string-warper/string-warper-2002-06-13.zip There's a build.xml for ant, target test runs a self-test. Actually I should have said a piece of java hacking. You'll see

Re: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 08:22, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . 2. Try to build up the support for version dependant code for the next release. . . . Note that this is fairly easy to do using filtering in ant copy tasks and package names containing identifiers. For example: package A contains

Re: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 14:43, Rhett Aultman wrote: . . . Rather than relying on Ant, I'd say a runtime detection of VM demographics (version, vendor, etc) would be in order, which could then allow a classloader to select the correct classes to instantiate. . . . I like your idea a lot -

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 10 June 2002 17:06, Christian Geisert wrote: . . . 1) Declare that Fop needs JDK1.3 Could cause confusion with Cocoon users - Cocoon requires JDK1.2. 2) Remove truetype font support from AWT viewer +0 3) Compile Fop with JDK1.3 (which will be done anyway) and state in the

Re: Structure Handlers - RTF Renderer

2002-05-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, Sorry for taking so long, week's been hectic around here. . . . I think you will still have attribute resolution problems. Remember that some attributes are only going to be resolved during the layout. I understand that some attributes cannot be resolved at the parsing stage,

Re: Structure Handlers - RTF Renderer

2002-05-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Keiron, . . . We should be able to set common objects like the logging and config on the structure handler itself. But the context idea could be useful for other objects that it may need to access. . . . ok, It wasn't clear for me either what would go into the context object, but it is

Re: properties

2002-05-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 01 May 2002 18:19, Peter B. West wrote: Does the near-silence on this one signify consent? I don't know enough about this to give meaningful advice, so in my case yes, silence means consent. - Bertrand - To

Re: Lest we forget (please use REPLY!)

2002-04-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 26 April 2002 08:09, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: This probably helps: http://www.anzacday.org.au/ sorry for the noise - I didn't see that the question had long been answered. PLEASE everybody use reply-to when replying to mailing lists messages. With the right mail client, it allows

Re: Lest we forget

2002-04-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
This probably helps: http://www.anzacday.org.au/ -Bertrand On Friday 26 April 2002 00:38, Martin Stricker wrote: Peter B. West wrote: Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn. At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, We shall remember them. Lest we forget. Anzac Day

Re: [Vote] New committers: Peter West, Joerg Pietschmann?

2002-04-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 11 April 2002 12:16, you wrote: I propose that we offer Peter West and Joerg Pietschmann to become committers. +1 for both! (Although officially a committer I have done nothing concrete yet, so I hope my vote counts ;-) -Bertrand

Re: Area tree - renderer (pr.fo for structure renderers)

2002-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Saturday 16 March 2002 14:52, Peter B. West wrote: . . . The last stage of the FOP process translates one page description (the area tree) into another (the input to the target renderer.) ok So why would anyone want to interpose another translation step into this tightly coupled

Re: Area tree - renderer (pr.fo for structure renderers)

2002-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 18 March 2002 13:37, Peter B. West wrote: . . . Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: In conclusion, I think an interface based on XML documents (possibly this pr.fo discussed above) is the best choice to use between the FOP property resolution stage and the structure renderers like RTF

Re: Area tree - renderer (pr.fo for structure renderers)

2002-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, On Monday 18 March 2002 22:06, Peter B. West wrote: . . . There's another gotcha - markers. The properties in markers are resolved relative to the retrieve-marker invocation point. . . . Thanks - I'll keep this in mind when I get to play with this stuff.. -Bertrand

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:00, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . 1. FopParser parses and validates the input XSL-FO document Not needed if using Cocoon as a pipeline. . . . Right, but it's so easy that we might as well keep it for easier testing. . . . What I would like to see, is that FOP

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:19, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . Firstly the Area Tree is unavoidable. We must have a place to do the layout and to store the page information. . . . Unavoidable for Layout rendering, isn't it? I thought structure-based rendering wouldn't need the area tree. . . .

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:27, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . Hmmm... AFAIK FO is about layout, not semantical structure. Bold is just Bold, and not emphasis or strong. Maybe I don't get the point. Could you elaborate more please? . . . The term structure renderer (as you could find by

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:27, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . I think that a SAXrenderer could be the solution. SAX is based on calling a method when a tag begin-content-end is reached. It can be used to communicate the Area Tree to the renderer in a clean way, whith a standard interface.

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, Aside from my low opinion of SAX for process coupling, there should be no need for communication back from the renderer. . . . cool - I thought the Area Tree code needed to know about font metrics and the like, but if this communication is one-way all the better. Regarding SAX

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 16:58, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . - FOP uses iText as a PDF generation library - . . . Maybe the following scenario could help making FOP

Re: remove html-docs dir?

2002-02-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 18 February 2002 10:54, Keiron Liddle wrote: Can I remove everything under docs/html-docs. +1 because it will force the builds to have up to date information -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Integrating Tree into FO tree handling

2002-02-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sunday 17 February 2002 06:07, Peter B. West wrote: . . . FOTree maintains the property stacks with the initial value, current value and history of the properties being defined on elements of the FO Tree. It also implements Runnable, and its run() method is the source of the FoTreeBuilder

Re: Tool to create XSL:FO without stylesheet from Java?

2002-02-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 15 February 2002 15:47, Roland wrote: does anyone have a good tool to create an XSL:FO file without the use of a stylesheet? You might want to look at jdom (www.jdom.org), a very nice DOM manipulation library for java. Saxon (http://users.iclway.co.uk/mhkay/saxon) is also a good

Re: XML Parsing [2] (RTF document header)

2002-02-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 11 February 2002 10:19, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . At the end of a page sequence we know that all pages in the page sequence can be rendered without being effected by any further XML. Note that this won't be the case with RTF: AFAIK an RTF document has to contain a document header

Re: StructureEvents concept

2002-02-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 February 2002 12:15, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . Do we need to have this completely separate method of reading the fo tree (layout managers is the other) when both do some similar things. I'm not sure, I just can't picture how it should work at the moment. Right - let me try to

Re: StructureEvents concept

2002-02-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 08 February 2002 01:58, Peter B. West wrote: Bernard, (That's Bertrand by the way ;-) What sort of structure does rtf exhibit? Is it a page-based structure, or is it divided, like xslfo, into page definitions and flows? This is a critical difference as far as the design goes.

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 February 2002 03:57, Arved Sandstrom wrote: . . . If you do some code and want to see it added to the main or maintenance branches, then the onus is on one or more committers to explain why it's a bad idea, but there must be a good reason. . . . To make sure there is no

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 23:25, Peter B. West wrote: . . . I think that most people need some encouragement to take the plunge in murky waters. I agree, make sense with the various offers for help that came up in the last few weeks. - Bertrand

Re: AW: keep-with-next?

2002-01-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
(by the way your message was crossposted to fop-user, please avoid this as it makes it very hard to follow discussions) On Wednesday 30 January 2002 20:21, David Wood wrote: I am a Java coder and know my way around the standard. I volunteer to try to fix this, if someone who is more familiar

Re: refocusing fop-dev and fop-user?

2002-01-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 25 January 2002 10:26, Jens von Pilgrim wrote: . . . On http://xml.apache.org/mail.html is only the fop-dev listed - is there also a user list? This is probably the cause - AFAIK fop-user is alive and kicking, just not listed in the proper places. Can anyone clarify the situation

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