Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Thanks to Glen for raising the issue. The ideal approach is if Oleg would pack up his TIFFRenderer and donate it to the ASF accompanied with a software grant [1], but Oleg is a FOP committer and has a CLA on file. So if Oleg attaches a ZIP with the sources for the

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
That's no problem, I think, because Batik has a TIFF encoder [3] already in their codebase and we can move this code to the common area and use that. Shouldn't be difficult to adjust. Otherwise, I'd rather use ImageIO even if it's only available in JDKs =1.4. [3]

Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Peter B. West
Glen Mazza wrote: Yeah, Peter makes me want to do that sometimes myself... ;) Glen Glen, It's not difficult. I can give you some tips off-line if you like. Peter -- Peter B. West http://cv.pbw.id.au/ Folio http://defoe.sourceforge.net/folio/ http://folio.bkbits.net/

Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Relationship to which PDF renderer? The one that directly creates PDF (PDFRenderer) or the one that creates PDF through JPS (normal PrintRenderer as defined in the Wiki painting to a Graphics2D instance provided by JPS) using a StreamPrintService? That's the two choices.

Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Renaud Richardet
Peter, Then my comment gave you a wrong impression: the Java2DRenderer is the (abstract) base for all renderers that use the Java2D API for rendering. The reference renderer is still the PDFRenderer, which inherits from AbstractRenderer directly. Renaud

Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
No, definitely not. From what I learned from you, that's what you intend to do. FOP pursues a different strategy. I believe that you can't get the same quality PDF with all cool features with a PDF renderer that operates with a Java2DRenderer as its base. On 09.03.2005 12:34:20 Peter B. West

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Peter B. West
Renaud Richardet wrote: Peter, let me answer you last mail [1] here: You are right that the wiki is still vague about the detailled implementation of the different renderers. Actually, I haven't started to think about it until today. I will put my ideas tomorrow on the wiki. I would be happy if

Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Peter B. West
Renaud Richardet wrote: Peter, Then my comment gave you a wrong impression: the Java2DRenderer is the (abstract) base for all renderers that use the Java2D API for rendering. The reference renderer is still the PDFRenderer, which inherits from AbstractRenderer directly. Renaud Renaud, Understood.

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Renaud Richardet
I downloaded sun's codecs [2] that Oleg used in his TIFFRenderer. Jeremias, you mean that we can legally just put those in the FOP-code? Following codecs are included in [2]: - TIFF - JPEG - PNG - BMP So it should be possible to create a renderer for each of this file formats. But do we need them

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On 09.03.2005 12:51:11 Renaud Richardet wrote: I downloaded sun's codecs [2] that Oleg used in his TIFFRenderer. Jeremias, you mean that we can legally just put those in the FOP-code? This would have to be checked out. I'd rather not, especially when we have PNG and TIFF codecs under Apache

Re: Skype-conference on page-breaking?

2005-03-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Sounds to me like 2) is the way to go right now. This would mean minimal recreation of vertical boxes in case of changing available IPD. Sure, this is an exotic case but XSL-FO makes it possible, therefore we must be prepared for it. Thanks for the hints and the helpful example. On 08.03.2005

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise, I'd rather use ImageIO even if it's only available in JDKs =1.4. I thought FOP should be 1.3 compilant [3]? So how do we go around that? That's right. But nothing stops us from providing additional code that's JDK 1.4

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Jeremias Maerki wrote: That's no problem, I think, because Batik has a TIFF encoder [3] already in their codebase and we can move this code to the common area and use that. Shouldn't be difficult to adjust. Last time I checked Batik's TIFF encoder was kinda limited WRT some TIFF compressions, and

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I would like to suggest that you implement TIFF and PNG output using Batik's codecs. Yep, that's the best solution. But please check that Batik's TIFF codec supports all TIFF compressions Sun's codec does. 2 years ago it was sort of limited, particularly wrt fax

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Yes, please, because it's a lot easier to handle inside an IDE. You simply define an additional source folder if you're on JDK 1.4, and you don't get compile error on JDK 1.3. On 09.03.2005 16:34:39 Glen Mazza wrote: --- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise, I'd rather use

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Ah, there's the catch. Yes, CCITT4 is particularly interesting which is not supported by the code in Batik. But still, I think we don't have to support everything under JDK 1.3. I wonder how many people under JDK 1.3 would need that particular compression type. And if they really do they then have

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, there's the catch. Yes, CCITT4 is particularly interesting which is not supported by the code in Batik. But still, I think we don't have to I don't think we have to support everything under JDK 1.3. Or anything, for that matter. 1.3 users

Re: cvs commit: xml-fop/src/java/org/apache/fop/render/awt/viewer PreviewDialog.java

2005-03-09 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RFC 2045 [1] says this: (1) Private values (starting with X-) may be defined bilaterally between two cooperating agents without outside registration or standardization. Such values cannot be registered or

Re: Good job! / Re: Integration of TIFFRenderer in FOP

2005-03-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 9 mars 05, à 01:12, Glen Mazza a écrit : ...[Thanks also to Bertrand for sending Renaud our way. This is the second quality developer--Peter Herweg being the other--that we have gotten from him since I've been on this project.].. You're welcome - and you don't even know how many people I sent