will attempt to document them for the next guy.
Thanks.
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no expert on RTF, but by opening a few, it appears to be a text-only
format. However, I did see some examples of graphics being embedded in the
files using 7-bit characters. Handling this would certainly seem to be
outside the scope of XSLT.
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installed locally, but
(full) Acrobat has (and I think the Reader does also), a setting at the Edit
/ Preferences / Options screen that controls the splash screen at startup.
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Keiron Liddle wrote:
Are you generating the javadocs from the distribution?
The problem sounds like a packaging issue. Those files have the line
endings for the OS they are checked out on.
As far as I know javadocs has always worked from cvs.
I was generating the javadocs from cvs. However,
using those conventions? Also, I see in some other postings use of a
[DOCUMENTATION] header. Is there a page (other than those above) where that
convention and any other relevant ones are discussed?
Thanks for your patience.
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Keiron Liddle wrote:
I hope you didn't get the idea that I was ignoring the patch. It is just
that it is for the branch and it can be a pain to get things set up.
Hopefully another committer with the branch can give a look at it.
No, I wasn't worried about that -- I just wanted to make
, or how far ahead of that process FOP wants to get.
As far as the current standard, I think it could be considered an
implementation detail.
I apologize if this has already been discussed / coded, etc. I haven't
stumbled across it yet.
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addresses to @author
tags?
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fop-patch.txt.gz
Description: Binary data
fop-new-files.tar.gz
Description: Binary data
Jeremias:
Any news on OpenType support? ... it's a low priority thing.
I haven't done much with it yet. I thought it important for me to learn my
way around FOP before trying to start any coding. After starting that, I
decided that the javadocs could really use some work, especially at the
, but the great thing about open source is that no one can
(or would want to) stop you from working on such a project if you wished.
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FOP Developers:
I submitted a patch (through Bugzilla, for trunk) that fixes some problems
in the pdfdoc build. I realize that Joerg is doing some work in that area as
well, and I don't mean to step on any of that, but I am not sure exactly
what that work involves, so I pressed forward. (BTW, my
Victor Mote wrote:
Item 3: This is really a question about content organization. I would like
to split the documentation into two groups, user and developer, and in
addition to the document mentioned above, generate an FOP Developer
Documentation pdf. This would involve pulling some
one in
someone else.
I am betting that some of you have thought about these issues for a while,
so I ask the questions hoping that you can save me many hours of tedious
unfruitful work.
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fonts at the java level instead
of at the FOP level, would we be willing to give up the ability to hack the
metrics files in exchange?
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comments about objection 3 above (potential
reduced functionality on some platforms).
Thanks to both Jeremias Joerg for their help. I think I have enough to
keep me busy for a while.
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J.Pietschmann wrote:
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Is it safe to assume that all *n*x
platforms have or could get an X environment?
No. This is a FAQ.
Sorry. I have seen headless server postings go by, but it meant nothing to
me.
Well, FOP is already so tightly integrated with Batik that it wont
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of this decision seems significant. If 99% of ISP/ASP users are using only
fonts that would be on their server, or if we don't mind telling them that
they should (or use an in-house server, or get the ISP to install
the fonts,
or ...), then maybe we come to a different
help (unless a
similar approach is taken to hide the differences there).
I think that will keep me busy for a couple of minutes :-) Thanks again for
all of the good insight.
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planning to work on the redesign branch, right?
Actually, I was planning on working in the maint branch for a whole bunch of
reasons. If you think it is important to work in the trunk, I'll reconsider.
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with some regular expression
preprocessing -- it might even be possible to do this within the parser or
XSLT transformer.
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write it, I'm just trying to get it more visible).
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Christian Geisert wrote:
Forrest offers one PDF per page at the moment
(see http://outerthought.net/forrest/ for example)
One PDF per page is fine, but it is inconvenient to download or print the
whole.
Item 1: The 0.20.4 release does not seem to have the fo.pdf
file included,
probably
J.Pietschmann wrote:
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Is it safe to assume that all *n*x
platforms have or could get an X environment?
No. This is a FAQ. It seems to be quite common for servers to come
without X libraries installed, search the FOP, Cocoon and Batik lists for
headless server.
OK, here
apologies to
Joerg et al for asking a java question here -- I really did think it was a
FOP workaround question.
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sense for me to stop work on the testing first, or do we generally
prefer to field test?
BTW, it is good to hear your voice again.
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work. The part I don't understand is the
resolving on a char basis. What does this mean? Thanks.
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gets flushed out. This should help answer questions such as this in the
future.
To answer Venu's question directly -- I just looked through the posting on
this list don't see a patch submission in either standard (Bugzilla) or
non-standard form.
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http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla
(??) on board.
It will require someone with commit abilities to do all of this, but, if
approved, I'll be glad to do the fixes and cleanup of the builds to match
the new structure.
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as well, so you don't lose
anything, but you have the added benefit of having a much larger pool of
people who can help, and often more timely than the developers.
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me to be a risky and unnecessary strategy, an attempt to force behavior that
realistically can't happen.
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with
the font work -- just understand that the refactoring work will be much more
likely to introduce bugs when I am flying blind than it would be with
working code.
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If it is not feasible to unify significant portions of the two branches,
either by switching them in the repository or by putting them into one
branch, then I propose that we clarify our terminology by using the term
rewrite instead of redesign. This would signal that we
. Since you write more about this in a later posting,
please see my reply to that posting, which will follow.
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Peter B. West wrote:
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Victor Mote wrote:
If it is not feasible to unify significant portions of the two branches,
either by switching them in the repository or by putting them into one
branch, then I propose that we clarify our terminology by using the term
rewrite
more than I would begrudge
the RenderX guys working on their product instead of FOP, or the Batik guys
working on Batik instead of FOP. The problem that Oleg mentions is already
the status quo.
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If you took offence from the short attention span comment, I am sorry.
No such offence was intended. The comment concerns the general
approach to development that you mentioned.
No offence taken I am sure none was intended.
Victor Mote
that would
have been better to leave unified. It may be possible to restore this state
even now. More on this in my response to Jeremias to follow.
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the position of the two branches. However, there
seems to be general agreement that this is a complex project. Since
complexities tend to be exponential in nature, every one of them that can be
eliminated tends to have a large benefit.
Victor Mote
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I'll be able to find
something interesting.
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installing a new workstation today, but hope to be
started on this work tomorrow.
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you're backed up do
some testing to make sure you got what you want.
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that the problem is a difference
between metrics reported/used by the awt Font and those reported from our
parsed metrics files. If it is not too much trouble, do you mind recapping a
brief summary of where the issue stands now? Thanks.
Victor Mote
above, it is probably adequate for the task at hand.
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. What do you prefer?
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, if there are other
similar links that you would like to see, I'll be glad to take a stab at
them.
(My apologies if this message posts twice -- I sent it from another email
address a few minutes ago I think the mail server probably ignored it
because of the email address, so I am resending).
Victor
13325),
I owe you an XSL-FO stylesheet for this document as well that can be used
there.
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anymore, as it
seems like you have changed the directory structure some. Please let me know
if I need to rework it. Also, it was not a perfect implementation, but
rather a step in the right direction. I hope to get a couple more passes at
it before 0.20.5 is released.
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. The link above is a step in that direction.
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to
a local file. After I downloaded Forrest last night, I was able to add an
entry in XML-Spy to see my local copy of the DTD. Without that mapping, and
since the files don't have the URL, right now an editor will complain that
it can't find the DTD in the current directory.
Victor Mote
start then taking the second approach. FWIW. Actually, I hope to learn a
lot from Keiron's replies.
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that isn't yet implemented. Also, be clear that, at its current
level of development, FOP is not suited for production use. It's fine
I agree with the clarity part, but the judgment call about production use
should be left to the user.
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not realize until I looked right now that I failed to use the -u
option on my diff. Sorry about that.
Yes, we should change all of the declarations to be consistent. I'll go
ahead do that en masse instead of piecemeal.
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, since I don't see it, I don't know what problem
you are seeing. Is it best practice to use a different browser?
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, and that it is treating them as such
instead of as plain old text files.
Maybe archiving the patch might work better.
I'll try to remember to do that.
Anyway there are better ways of solving this problem.
I do not understand.
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for your patience.
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Keiron Liddle wrote:
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 12:43, Victor Mote wrote:
To conclude, if I were designing this system from scratch,
based on what I
know right now, I would:
1. Use DOM for both the fo tree the area tree.
I don't know whether I would call it a DOM but the area tree
-weight alternative than DOM that works for
the task at hand, that is better.
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faster and better responses to questions like this on the
fop-user list, or, better yet, on a PDF list.
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. This is an awesome crew it is truly
an honor to be a part of it.
Unless there is some other convention, vmote will work fine for user name.
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Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
I think we should separate fo tree itself from the process of its
building. fo
tree structure is required and I agree with Keiron - it's not a
DOM, it's just
tree representation and I cherish the idea to make it an
effectively small
lists, we might be able to eliminate some of the
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that you
will need to either 1) only want them moved in one branch (probably not
desirable), or 2) move them twice, once for each branch. Especially on the
maintenance branch, you will want to be careful to get the new files tagged
with the maintenance branch tag.
Victor Mote
that doing so would also check out some files that would break the
build or override something that we don't want overridden, but I think it
would be worth a try.
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Peter B. West wrote:
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Christian Geisert wrote:
for the documentation for the maintenance release I think the
best thing is to copy src/documentation over from trunk and then
add a simple exec command=forrest to build.xml
Comments?
I had a thought left over from
to these
changes -- perhaps it is smart enough to know that these are innocuous, or
perhaps there is something wrong with my mail account. At any rate, I wanted
you to know what was going on when you see the files being updated.
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than one way to do that. I guess I don't care
enough to find out. Thank you both for your help.
BTW, it is good to have you back.
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. The information in Compliance is probably not complete or accurate. I'm
going to be culling through the mailing lists to try to get some of it
cleaned up. If you see something that is not right, please either 1) fix it,
2) submit a patch, or 3) send me an email I'll fix it. Thanks.
Victor Mote
While working on an FAQ for FO dtd schema, I see that we have two schema
in docs/foschema: fop4f.xsd fop4.xsd. They are similar. Does anyone know
what the purpose for both is, why we have 2, or the 4 4f designations?
Thanks.
Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote:
Victor Mote wrote:
While working on an FAQ for FO dtd schema, I see that we have
two schema
in docs/foschema: fop4f.xsd fop4.xsd. They are similar. Does
anyone know
what the purpose for both is, why we have 2, or the 4 4f designations?
Victor,
I think
. The maintenance branch tag is on 1.1, the same
revision for which it was before.
Let me know if this is not correct, or if what you see in the repository
doesn't match this. Thanks.
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. However, for those who want to,
it should be a little clearer now in which file to do that.
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Sorry about the premature response.
This was my fault. I was hoping that I had gotten it fixed before it caused
any problems. My apologies.
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Peter B. West wrote:
Victor,
I noticed from your commt that the 'country-name's had lost their
spaces, e.g., MACEDONIA,THEFORMERYUGOSLAVREPUBLICOF.
I don't know whether this was in the original, but it certainly reads
awkwardly.
I am pretty sure
not sure what to recommend here.
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that should result in less questions on the user
list (especially after our doc gets a reputation for being thorough), but,
if not, I'll try to cull through the lists to update the doc myself. This
would require a less-frequent update cycle -- once a day is probably plenty.
Victor Mote
for
upgrading Java when that is needed? Is there a web site URL that I could add
that would help the user 1) figure out what version they have, and 2) get it
upgraded if necessary?
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Thanks for clarifying this.
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On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 10:24:28AM -0700, Victor Mote wrote:
Jeff Turner wrote:
See http://forrestbot.cocoondev.org/site/xml-fop
Updated every hour with the latest Forrest and FOP source.
I am really not yet following what is going on here. I
understand
, if
you want to look at the content, go to:
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs/ru
nning.xml?rev=HEADcontent-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
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rather get the basics sorted
out yourself, let me know.
I just committed some additional information to the README that should help
a bit. Please feel free to expand it further, or, if it is sufficient,
publish away!
Victor Mote
apache machine) to update
xml-site/targets/{project}, instead of having to do the documentation builds
locally. Is there some reason why we can't just do a copy here?
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to radical changes that
would be likely to mess up users of the DTD.
It seems to me that we have this set up as well as it can be, but I sure
could be missing something.
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definitely intend to keep plugging away at FOP.
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I'd like to wish everyone here happy holidays, whatever is appropriate.
This is a good crowd.
Hear, hear! I must agree on both counts.
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that before getting back to anything else. I have some
branch font work that I wanted to put into the trunk, but it was minor
needs to be rethought anyway in light of multiple threads. If you are ready
to go, please do so. I'll let you know when I am ready to go again on that
line.
Victor Mote
on all of
this. Also, I thought that a discussion of how Session stuff is separated
from Document stuff for multithreading might be worthwhile.
It will probably be a couple of weeks before I can get back into this much.
Sorry to be on the sidelines for a bit.
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arguing for here is an /extremely/ minimal interface
between the Font stuff and the rest of FOP, highly encapsulated. Does that
make sense?
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1) parsing the document
twice, or 2) not allowing multiple output formats in the same document.
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Finding myself in the minority, I withdraw the question. I intended no
offence. As a workaround, please don't be offended if I continue to treat
the name as an acronym instead of a word.
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say that FOP is in compliance, but where there are some limitations that
need to be cross-referenced.
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be
expanded to a more general statement by someone who knows more.
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to offend you at all, Peter. VVBG :-)
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the
mailing lists each day distill this information from the questions
problems that go by there, but I have not yet been able to implement that.
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the reordering. Its search routines need
to have the text in logical order as well.
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checked in (or moved aside), blow away their
sandbox, get a clean sandbox after the surgery. Also, it would be good to
know that we could get our repository restored if something went wrong -- do
we know how to do that?
Victor Mote
with xml-fop module.
If something needs to be done to CVSROOT/history, then you are way ahead of
me.
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