On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote:
On Saturday 24 January 2009 08:48:56 Gerard Meijssen wrote:
When the CIA or any other American governmental organisation has something
to share that is of benefit to us, we should be gracious and thankful and
accept and
On Saturday 24 January 2009 09:31:13 Gerard Meijssen wrote:
whatever it is we get in the sense of code. In the mean time we have been
using the CIA fact book for years now. They indeed have more resources and
That is an excellent example, CIA fact book is full of CIA's propaganda and
you can
Hoi,
So the fact that the CIA and the NSA are evil helps us understand why we are
paying market prices to Wikia, why we are likely to benefit from the Wikia
developed software and why people, all coding MediaWiki, meeting at a water
cooler is a great idea.. and incidentally there is no music
2009/1/24 geni geni...@gmail.com:
2009/1/24 Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org:
I would also say that I am happy we're talking about this, and I hope
the people asking questions are finding the answers reasonably
reassuring :-)
Depends. The wikia is a large user therefor we should work with
Naoko Komura wrote:
[snip]
[Wikia]'s asking price was more than X, but we said our offer
price would not be more than the price quoted by X. So,
[Wikia] evaluated if they can rent out space higher than our
offer price. As there was no higher bidder than us, [Wikia]
had agreed to offer the
Geoffrey,
I mostly agree with you that there's nothing wrong per se with the Wikimedia
Foundation sharing office space with Wikia. From Erik's description of the
bidding process, I think the WMF is overpaying, though. I think the used
car salesman analogy is appropriate. There are lots of
2009/1/24 feumar...@infomed.sld.cu:
HI, I AM NEW IN ALL THIS THING, PLEASE I NEED ALL OF YOU HELP ME.I AM CUBAN,
AND MY
ENGLISH, IS NOT VERY GOOD,SO PLEASE SEND ME THE MESSAGES IN SPANISH, SO I CAN
UNDERSTAND
YOU.
Erm... according to [[m:Mailing list]] posting in languages other
than
Nikola Smolenski wrote:
Given that we know that NSA conducts massive illegal spying operations, there
is possibility that selinux is altered in a fashion that will make it easier
for NSA to spy on selinux' users. I don't know what are CIA's contributions
to MediaWiki, but unless it is
feumar...@infomed.sld.cu escribió:
HI, I AM NEW IN ALL THIS THING, PLEASE I NEED ALL OF YOU HELP ME.I AM CUBAN,
AND MY
ENGLISH, IS NOT VERY GOOD,SO PLEASE SEND ME THE MESSAGES IN SPANISH, SO I CAN
UNDERSTAND
YOU.
En tal caso probablemente esta lista de correo no sea adecuada para ti.
2009/1/24 Naoko Komura nkom...@gmail.com:
Hello, Thomas.
I admire your persistence in putting your question forward until your
question is answered. :-) Let me try to answer your questions by giving
you the background of this negotiation.
Persistence is certainly not something I'm lacking!
Brian wrote:
If the CIA were to hand you a improved-mediawiki binary, sure
PHP is an interpreted language. Surely you wouldn't use someone elses byte
code.
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
Nikola Smolenski wrote:
Given that we know that NSA
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I have included the Planet Wikimedia Blog Aggregator scope here
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Please take a look if you work in this area.
Very best,
Jon
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2009/1/24 Naoko Komura nkom...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
Persistence is certainly not something I'm lacking! Some disagree
about how admirable that is, though...
I think it is a good trait to have and admirable.
Well, thank you.
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
It was a clear factual error which I corrected. If you aren't going to
criticize the original comment you have no basis for criticizing the
correction.
At any rate, what exactly is the topic of this thread, in your
I'm criticizing the switch from Wikia leasing office space to WMF to
Is the CIA evil? I just responded to the most recent email in my
inbox; I thought that would be more appropriate than responding to all
17 CIA/NSA-related emails. I was not criticizing you in particular.
The topic of this thread
It's now a while ago after the first video was made.
So, when can we actually see the first video online?
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Let me make my position clear:
* Correcting factual errors is always appropriate.
* This thread no longer has a clear topic.
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm criticizing the switch from Wikia leasing office space to WMF to
Is the CIA evil? I just
I think that in the future the office staff may need to look at preemptive
press releases. That would have eliminated this thread quickly.
From: David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:16:07 AM
Geoffrey Plourde said:
Why should a taco stand use a dry cleaning shop when it can get
another taco shop?
Gregory Kohs responds:
I might be able to give a better answer if you could tell us whether
it is Taco Stand A or it is Taco Stand B in your analogy that is the
non-profit charity, funded
As a Board trustee, I don't believe that Jimmy would fall under the manager
scheme. If this were the case, a Foundation could be barred from buying Apple
computers from Apple, if Steve jobs were on their board.
From: Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com
To:
2009/1/24 Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com:
Please, in your rush to judgment about the character of my attacks
here, take some time to actually explore and learn about United States
law. The Foundation could be in serious trouble here, and you're
spending an awful lot of energy railing
2009/1/24 The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure why we're so stressed out about getting things exactly legally
right, since once edit histories for anything created before 2002 / late
2001 were wiped out, any of those articles don't have an accurate author
list.
If you take out
How was this message constructive? If you think he's a troll, don't
respond to him. I happen to think he raised some interesting issues.
Mark
2009/1/24 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/1/24 Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com:
Please, in your rush to judgment about the character of my
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:08 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure why we're so stressed out about getting things exactly legally
right, since once edit histories for anything created before 2002 / late
2001 were wiped out, any of those articles don't have an accurate
Also, I doubt that anything remains of those articles to dive credit for.
2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
2009/1/24 The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure why we're so stressed out about getting things exactly
legally
right, since once edit histories for anything
2009/1/24 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/1/24 The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure why we're so stressed out about getting things exactly legally
right, since once edit histories for anything created before 2002 / late
2001 were wiped out, any of those articles don't have an
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:08 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not sure why we're so stressed out about getting things exactly
legally
right, since once edit histories for anything created before 2002 / late
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:08 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not sure why we're so stressed out about getting things exactly
2009/1/24 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Mike took us off on a tangent when he insisted that the concept of moral
rights was a purely legal construction, but up until then I thought things
were going well.
Or you went off on a tangent when you started talking about moral
rights in a more general
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/1/24 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Mike took us off on a tangent when he insisted that the concept of moral
rights was a purely legal construction, but up until then I thought
things
were going well.
Or you
Anthony wrote:
My point of view is that the proposed license update is a violation of the
moral rights of the contributors. If Mike is going to deny that moral
rights exist in the first place, then I feel the need to explain that they
do.
The problem is that moral rights in your
Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
I am sorry to say, now I see quite an opposite attitude: You
have put a picture under a free licence, now do not complain.
This is fine of course but does not encourage the authors very
much.
I think this is one of the best advantages of the French image
2009/1/25 Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com:
Yeah, agreed. While on-topic for the list, it's off-topic for this
thread. U.S. intelligence agency involvement in the development of
open source products, especially media wiki, however *IS* a topic I am
very much interested in seeing further
That means I can clarify why my much hated factual correction was
appropriate. Here was the original statement:
If the CIA were to hand you a improved-mediawiki binary, sure
Let's briefly suppose that there are binaries for mediawiki (which is false
- but suppose they only gave you byte code
2009/1/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
Has anyone actually asked the CIA for MediaWiki extensions and
enhancements? It'd be worth asking.
We don't know much about what they have done but most of their
developments are more likely to be of interest to corporate wikis than
wikipedia.
--
2009/1/25 geni geni...@gmail.com:
2009/1/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
Has anyone actually asked the CIA for MediaWiki extensions and
enhancements? It'd be worth asking.
We don't know much about what they have done but most of their
developments are more likely to be of interest to
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:19 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/25 geni geni...@gmail.com:
2009/1/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
Has anyone actually asked the CIA for MediaWiki extensions and
enhancements? It'd be worth asking.
I suspect any significant changes they
I can prove what I wrote :)
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/1/24 The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure why we're so stressed out about getting things exactly
legally
right, since once edit histories for anything created before
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