Peter, resorting to ad hominem does nothing to prove your point. It
only makes people less likely to listen to what you have to say.
-m.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Peter Damian
peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote:
- Original Message -
I can read a book on the History of the Fourth
We have heard this type of criticism before, that lower-prestige
varieties or languages that are not official or national languages
are somehow intrinsically incapable or unsuited to encyclopedic
writing. Article quality on a Wiki is not high or low due to some
intrinsic characteristic or trait of
of the speaker.
-m.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19.09.2010 13:01, Marcus Buck wrote:
An'n 19.09.2010 11:32, hett Mark Williamson schreven:
We have heard this type of criticism before, that lower-prestige
varieties or languages
Standard Australian English is very easy to understand for me as a
North American speaker of English, especially when written because
that eliminates the potential problem of different accents. Standard
Jamaican English is easy to understand, perhaps you are thinking of
Jamaican Creole, which is
Thank you to everybody who had a part in bringing about this increased
transparency. It is a breath of fresh air for me and hopefully for
everybody else who follows language-related developments on Wikimedia.
-m.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
As Karen
Two of the biggest remaining problems (of which there are, naturally,
many many many others):
1) Transparency. Maybe some experts fear retaliation - okay, use
pseudonyms or contribute anonymously. Just have someone summarize your
opinion for public archives. Does Gerard fear retaliation? From
I hope nobody gets the impression that I'm just an American sniping at
Europeans. I wouldn't be much happier if it was half Americans and
half Europeans, or even all Americans. The majority of the world's
non-endangered languages are spoken in Asia and Africa, so on a
committee that deals with
I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
experts, mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
judgements about the rest of the world's
Take a look at some of the new football-related articles on the Ewe
Wikipedia. I don't think this is cause for celebration at all:
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Beckham
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naohiro_Takahara
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_van_Nistelrooy
I don't see a single word
Interesting to note the geographic distribution of members of the
committee... hmm...
-m.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
Our new member is Huib Laurens (meta:User:Huib). His main role is to
help us in keeping up to date archives of our mailing list [1]
You won't find many professional translators using GTTK for their work.
[citation needed]
-m.
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
2) Implement spelling and punctuation check automatically within GTTK
before
posting of the articles.
There is spell check in Translator Toolkit, although it's not available
for
all languages. We don't have any
2) Implement spelling and punctuation check automatically within GTTK before
posting of the articles.
There is spell check in Translator Toolkit, although it's not available for
all languages. We don't have any punctuation checks today and I doubt that
we can release this anytime soon. (If
wants 1:1 translations for its Translation
memory. And, of course, its the big numbers Google is interested in to
achieve better automatic translations in the end.
Ziko
2010/7/29 Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I
Ziko, again, we are not talking about machine translations; Google
doesn't have machine translation for Bangla, Malayalam, Tamil etc.
yet. This is about translation memory.
One of the things about MAT, whose use in the professional translator
community is still debated but most popular for
at 5:15 AM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Aphaia, Shiju Alex and I are referring to Google Translator Toolkit,
not Google Translate. If the person using the Toolkit uses it as it
was _meant_ to be used
...
2010/7/27 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com
Aphaia, Shiju Alex and I are referring to Google Translator Toolkit,
not Google Translate. If the person using the Toolkit uses it as it
was _meant_ to be used, the results should be as good as a human
translation because they've been reviewed
van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
Mark Williamson:
GTTK can be used as a force of good if someone puts in the appropriate
time and effort; when used _properly_ by a careful, knowledgeable
It is my thought that the huge problem here is lack of engagement with
communities. Essentially
I'm not sure that's exactly the question. Rather, by using GTTK,
people are contributing to building [[Translation memory]] for Google,
which they can in turn use to build their statistical models. It's not
that we're using non-free software, but rather that we're contributing
to it.
-m.
On Wed,
, most of which are, you guessed it.. Western in
nature.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:43 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to add to this that I think the worst part of this idea
is the assumption that other languages should take
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote:
1. Ban the project of Google as done by the Bengali wiki community (Bad
solution, and I am personally against this solution)
2. Ask Google to engage wiki community (As happened in the case of Tamil)
to find
for the for-profit
giant.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com
wrote:
1. Ban the project of Google as done by the Bengali wiki community (Bad
solution, and I am personally against
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedias are not for _cultures_, they are for languages. If I and
I'm surprised to hear that coming from someone who I thought to be a
student
I would like to add to this that I think the worst part of this idea
is the assumption that other languages should take articles from
en.wp.
I would be in favor of an international, language-free Wikipedia
if/when perfect (or 99.99% accurate) MT software exists, but that is
not currently the
Two things:
1) Please define junk articles. Do you mean articles that you think
nobody in your community wants to read (like, say, an article about an
American singer or actor, for example [[Lady Gaga]]), or do you mean
articles that are written in such a way as to be incomprehensible, or
are
Aphaia, a great deal of confusion has been created with regards to
this project. I hope you'll allow me to attempt to clear it up.
These are NOT articles that were translated directly by Google
Translate. Rather, they were created using Google Translator Toolkit,
which requires human intervention
Wikipedia some amount of translations (1/3 IIRC) are
not related to English.
If you think it works for you, it's fine, but please be aware it might
not work for non-English speakers as well as for you.
Cheers,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Aphaia
Can we clarify here, are we talking about Google Translate or Google
Translator Toolkit?
-m.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Przykuta przyk...@o2.pl wrote:
I've seen several requests, both on meta and on language projects, to
delete this kind of bad quality translation which people think
Well - this seems a bit confusing. I think Shiju Alex was talking
about the toolkit, but I got the impression you're referring to Google
Translate, which I agree is always unsuitable to produce usable
articles.
-m.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Przykuta przyk...@o2.pl wrote:
about google
Wikipedias are not for _cultures_, they are for languages. If I and
1,000 other Americans suddenly learnt French (to the point of
native-level fluency) and decided to read and edit the French
Wikipedia, it would belong to us just as much as to anybody else.
This came up recently in the debate
Bence, that's a different topic - MAT (Machine Aided Translation), and
in the case of Bengali, I believe simply the use of a translation
memory system. Some of the comments on that page seem to be quite
misinformed, ranging from people who thought Google was inserting
unrevised machine
+1. While I think there are many good arguments against inclusion of
images of Muhammad in Wikipedia, the false or unreliable does not
seem to be such an argument. We have plenty of images of Jesus and
lots of other famous people of whom we have no photographic or
_primary_ artistic sources...
I was raised areligious and I see a clear difference there. On the one
hand, you're talking about portraying a religious figure on a sex toy;
on the other hand you're just talking about portraying a religious
figure. Just on the grounds of being offensive, I don't think either
should be excluded
Have you seen [[Piss Christ]]? How is that different?
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:40 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
John Vandenberg wrote:
in the article about Jesus.
If you haven't noticed, the images of Muhammad on the core articles
relating to Islam are not created by someone who
Wiki-list, the huge glaring difference is that the goatse.cx image
is a pornographic image and we were unable to identify the subject of
it, which raises potential privacy concerns. Please don't accuse me of
hypocrisy as I am personally in favor of including that image in that
article.
On Sat,
Don't censor except when you do? That's one of the problems with
this thread, it seems everything's been made personal. I don't censor
anything. I was not involved in the debate about deleting the goatse
image, nor have I been much involved in the Muhammad debate, but I am
a firm believer in
may break those rules, but all that means is
they should be fixed so the rules are applied more consistently.
-m
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:14 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Wiki-list, the huge glaring difference is that the goatse.cx image
is a pornographic
Andre, I personally don't have a problem with the mere existence of
the template. I have a huge problem with it appearing at the top of
the mainpage of a Wikipedia.
-m
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On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM,
I agree... or your think to ideas.
skype: node.ue
2010/7/5 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com:
基建吉 wrote:
ΣXD＜Nice idea for disscuss saved.And user block framing Jadge.
'''[NEW!!]The rule of seven elevens.'''(or eleven seven)
Discuttion to seven article writed one disscuss.
One day to max 11
Amir,
I think this is a good idea. For the sake of consistency, we should
choose a single standard to follow rather than a hodge-podge of newer
standards, older (although still valid) standards, and ad hoc codes we
made up on the spot (als, nrm) and custom codes (bat-smg, roa-tara,
roa-rup,
Gerard,
I'm not sure such a condescending tone helps anybody. Also, I'm not
sure you've understood the intent of Martin's post. I'm under the
impression he'd only like to put off implementation of Vector in his
community until some problems get worked out, not permanently.
Besides, I think the
Phoebe, in my humble opinion, this project is a bit different. I think
when we are talking about child development and creating a project for
children, there's no room to screw around or create some amateurish
product. This is something that, if done wrong, could potentially have
a bigger negative
:
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Phoebe, in my humble opinion, this project is a bit different. I think
when we are talking about child development and creating a project for
children, there's no room to screw around or create some amateurish
product
Miloš,
I am inclined to agree with you. As someone who is not so far removed
from his own adolescence, I can attest that I've always found
Children's writing to be incredibly condescending and even
demeaning. Perhaps I was not a typical child, but ever since about 7
years of age I really hated
were reading the article on [[Earth]] that Ting's quoted and did
not understand what terrestrial planet meant... well, there's a link
right there to help me out. Again, young != stupid.
-m.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Miloš,
I am inclined to agree
-l] Reconsidering the policy one language - one
Wikipedia
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 6:06 PM
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:26 AM,
Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com
wrote:
as if we were dumb. I have heard (and I am
In addition, I have a feeling that article overstates the English
abilities of the average non-native internet user. Yes, lots of people
have a very (very!) basic command of English, but that is not the same
as functional bilingualism. A user may happen to know the name for a
horse, but what are
If we consider
that current English native speakers mostly already have internet and those
without internet are likelier than not to be non-English speakers I would
be
careful to advocate the unilateral use of English.
As would I, though I don't think you mean what you said.
Why not? To
I'm very disappointed that this discussion has continued at the
expense of one that I find to be much more important to our projects.
Can all of us go back over there and stop talking about this? Kthx.
m.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote:
kthx
On
about all the american
pop stars (For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga). Now the
issue is, we don't have such list to give to Google/Google employees.
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
+1. This would be a SUPER useful tool for all Wikis
+1. This would be a SUPER useful tool for all Wikis.
-m.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote:
Recently I had a discussion with one of my fellow Malayalam wikipedian (
http://ml.wikipedia.org) about the creation of new articles in small
wikipedias like
+1. I must admit I have been a bit surprised/shocked/irritated by the
tone of the comments from some of those involved with the usability
initiative. I always thought that Wikimedia valued community
decision-making, but now I'm being told that my feedback is greatly
appreciated and will be taken
Aryeh, imagine someone links you to an article on physics at
ka.wikipedia. If there were a link that said English, you'd know
what that meant, but if there's just a button that says ენები
(Georgian for Languages), how are you going to know to click that
rather than any of the other words on the
That's not good enough. First of all, people who don't speak a
language won't recognize the text see other languages, or even
languages. Could you pick the word ენები out of a page full of
text in a foreign language and understand that clicking it would lead
you to a link to the English version of
Speaking of which, I'd like to use this opportunity to re-express my
EXTREME dissatisfaction with the hidden-by-default interwiki links.
This almost defeats the entire purpose of interwikis - that is, to let
people know that the article exists in their language as well. If my
native language is
I think there are two options: Meta and pt.wp itself. My personal opinion is
that it does not need to be bilingual, but that is of course up to you.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.ptwrote:
Thanks Chad. I know that, but what kind of page (what title)? Where?
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-- Forwarded message --
From: Manuel Coutinho i...@maccoutinho.com
Date: Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:28 AM
Subject: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia
To: node...@gmail.com
Dear Node,
It has come to my attention quite some time ago that the Portuguese version
of wikipedia is
/16 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com:
I notice in that list both Belarusian Wikipedias are listed just as
Belarusian Wikipedia. It would be very informative to know which is
which
and to have visitor statistics on both :-)
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Erik Zachte
1.4%
Costa Rica 1.4%
Italy 1.4%
Uruguay 1.2%
Colombia1.2%
Portugal1.1%
--
R: Mark Williamson
Two main factors influencing choice of Wikipedia language:
# Fluency of the Internet-using population of a country
Ethnologue has numbers for all languages although their information is often
outdated or not 100% accurate, it is sufficient if you're doing a list with
many languages.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote:
Erik Zachte wrote:
Today I released 4 new
I think there are two main factors influencing this:
# Fluency of the Internet-using population of a country in English. In a
country like Japan, basic English is widespread but real reading
comprehension on the level necessary for reading WP articles is not (as far
as I know at least).
Overly simplifying, indeed. How did you arrive at the $40 estimate? Are you
trying to convert the 15K pageviews in 1 day into a dollar value?
Do you think that when people see advertisements on TV, they all immediately
flock to websites to look up the product? No, of course not, only a minority
Key phrase for me in this e-mail was CraigsList itself is a for-profit,
despite the fact that it was hidden in a parenthetical remark after lots of
glowing praise... The Craigslist Foundation is not Craigslist.
According to the Wikipedia article on Craigslist:
The company does not formally
Is it really anti-capitalist to be against giving Craigslist free publicity?
Mark
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
them to
It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other. Anybody
who does not know what Craigslist is now will see it every time they see the
banner, may google it or look it up on WP to find out what it is, and start
using it.
Any time we put the name of any kind of person or
Half a day? Is that really so bad? I would be worried if there were no posts
for a week. Obviously there isn't as much traffic as before but I would
personally wait longer before sending out e-mails asking why there are no
messages.
Mark
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM, MZMcBride
There is already a statistics page,
http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Index.html
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On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:13 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/7/2009 11:28:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes:
Please read it as an appeal
Gerard may post quite a bit, but in general his posts serve a purpose. Many
people on this list seem to write just to see their words, that is to say,
they seem repeat information and attempt to reply to every e-mail. This is
not constructive and it is not conducive to the expansion of knowledge.
How do others feel? This is not the first time we've had this discussion.
Some people agree with you, many don't. Also, I don't think anyone is
surprised that you agree.
Mark
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:05 PM, wjhon...@aol.com
Might also be interesting to see views/hour/million speakers.
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
From Erik Zachte:
http://infodisiac.com/blog/2009/09/partipication-level-a-new-metric/
Hmm. Anyone want to change the front page of
But please, not on this list. This list is fine as it is.
Says who?
Mark
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Maxwell. That 20 post difference between you and GerardM is what
is making people notice you and I think also one of the reasons people
want change on this list.
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Mark Williamson node
People are complaining to whoever is in charge of the venue.
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote:
A mailing list, however, is different. A mailing list is a
conversation.
How am I heckling you? I'm just stating the facts. There's no need for
this to turn into a fight.
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
People are complaining to whoever is in charge
-Document wanted behavior rules on meta in the same way as on wikipedia
(wp:et, wp:not, no chat, do not overload etc)
What wikipedia? I have no idea what the en.wp rules are for discussions,
and I do not wnat to be blocked on this list for not having this idea. On
ru.wp, my home project, we
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote:
Or you mean 'codification' as 'put all rules systematically/structured
and in written'?
If so it's exactly the basic proposal of Anders Wennersten:
That's usually what codification means :-)
Mark
On 9/4/09, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I think so too, but I'd rather hear it from Erik than hear your guess or
guess at it myself.
I'd rather go through a thread without seeing a one-word message
indicating bewilderment at what was quite obviouisly a joke... but
then, the world revolves
No, they most certainly would not. However it's a bit of a moot point
as if I recall correctly there were only 1 or 2 admins and they've
both left since.
Mark
On 9/1/09, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 08:29, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
It certainly
When you say that _is_ the _moldovan_ language... how does Cyrillic
writing make it not Moldovan anymore? Also, there is a very clear
notice at the top directing people to Latin-alphabet content - it's
not as if anybody is actually deprived of being able to read in their
preferred script or is
2 things as well:
If your language is called Romanian, as you contend in the topic
line, why do you care about the Moldovan WP? You can't have your cake
and eat it too.
Also, the name of the holiday is not Our romanian language, it's
just Our Language, there is very specifically no mention of
2) I do not remember the policy to host the same language in different
scripts, but if we support that, we should follow the already applied
naming convention (I tend to remember something similar about serbian
wp?)
In general the policy is that if we can create a converter we should.
In this
You seem to believe that Cyrillic for the language is a purely
historical artefact when in fact it is still used in textbooks for
schoolchildren and learning to read in Transnistria. If Cyrillic
script were no longer in use for Moldovan or used only as a historical
curiosity this would be a dead
I thought the previous consensus was that this project was to be moved
to a different domain - although outright deletion has been suggested
by quite a few people I can't see where that was ever agreed to.
Mark
On 9/1/09, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
It is equally
It's more complex than that I think.
mo was deleted from the list of ISO codes relatively recently; when
the Wiki was created it was a valid ISO code.
Now, ro applies to Romanian, for which Moldovan is supposed to be
an alternative name, however it seems inappropriate (although it may
be
In general, though, I think if we all put you on our personal block
lists, I think that would probably reduce the amount you posted. I
don't like that as an option though because like I said before, you do
contribute good ideas to this list.
Mark
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:26
feel about him already, which doesn't
mean I agree with it (I haven't decided if he goes on the list or not).
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
In general, though, I think if we all put you on our personal block
lists, I think that would probably reduce
I think it is fair to say that no language belongs to a country, it
belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of
people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?
Also I'm curious what Geni feels about them - using mo to refer to
Cyrillic Moldovan is not, in my view, inaccurate,
I've been telling you what I would like you to do. That's quite different.
On 8/31/09, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're going to tell us what we need to do, may we tell you what
you need to do as well? I
I'm sure all of you can figure out a way of setting up your email client so
it can work for you. If not, the archives are available online. There's no
reason you have to have this mailing list emailed to you in the first place.
That's an interesting attitude you have there. You're going to
Exactly. If you write too many messages, you run the risk that the
majority will start to habitually skip over (most of) your messages.
Think of it this way (this is a very simplistic model I think, I'm not
an economist): when the central bank of a country prints too much
currency, this can cause
This isn't just a recent thing:
http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Anthony.html
http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Thomas_Dalton.html
Posting a lot isn't necessarily a bad thing though, although in my own
experience, the less I talk the more people listen:
A quick correction (at the risk of adding to my post count for this month (-;)
I have not posted to this list every month since September 2004, I was
including posts at Wikipedia-l. However, I think that's pretty
reasonable considering that list is largely dormant and Foundation-l
has widened in
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:36 AM, 오현성chamda...@gmail.com wrote:
The only language that has become a world lingua franca to date is English,
and although British colonialism was clearly the original reason for this,
the dominant form of English over much of the world now is American English.
The
I disagree. All languages that have had a chance of becoming world
lingua francas - English, French, perhaps Spanish, are some recent
examples - were not only the languages of economic or political
powers, they were also the languages of vast colonial empires.
Is it likely that English would be
Okay, now that's in the realm of pure speculation.
How do you think another country - or the world - would react to
China's invasion of neighboring countries? Why would they even do
that?
Mark
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:54
I'll begin to take this thread and your proposals seriously once they
get some support from somebody besides yourself and Thomas Dalton.
Nothing personal, it just doesn't seem like anybody else has been
paying much attention to this thread so far.
Mark
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:45 PM,
+1.
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:08 PM, The Cunctatorcuncta...@gmail.com wrote:
Cmon, keep your whining prudishness for another thread. Sheesh.
On 7/31/09, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Walter Vermeirwal...@wikipedia.be wrote:
An other
Remind me, please, why we are still talking about this.
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On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, stevertigoo...@spaz.org wrote:
2009/8/8 Stevertjgo o...@spaz.org:
I think those high level discussion can take place either on-wiki or
on existing mailing lists without a problem.
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Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Policy Interlingual Coordinationn -
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To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:45 PM
Alright, but what about the case
Dark concepts? Really? As encyclopedists, it is rarely our job to
judge, rather we are here to document from a neutral point of view.
Please remember that darkness is subjective, I'm sure there are
practices you consider dark that I do not and probably vice-versa.
Anyhow, David Goodman said those
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