Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy policy, statistics and rankings

2010-08-03 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, James Alexander wrote: That being said I'm not totally sure that basic info like edit counts should be disallowed since most of them are given by the software itself (and still is) not to mention the toolserver. Perhaps more

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, oliver keyes wrote: Sue is the Executive Director of the fastest growing non-profit foundation in the United States, a foundation which has just announced a doubling of its staff, trial direct expansion to two more nations

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Wikipedia...

2010-06-17 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes, it's communism that works in theory but not in practice. :-) But isn't Wikipedia Communism? It must be true, I saw it written so on Wikipedia! :D - -Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [Foundation-l] Pending Changes launched on English Wikipedia

2010-06-16 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, William Pietri wrote: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/wikipedia_to_loosen_controls_tonight.php Wow, they used the right title! :D So did the BBC article[1]: Wikipedia unlocks divisive pages for editing - -Mike [1]

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-02 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, George Herbert wrote: The appropriate response to this might be a Quebec Wikisource project (or, pick another French-speaking location, with a very non-French copyright policy which is more friendly to us in this

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global Development Officer and new Chief Community Officer

2010-06-02 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: I am really happy to announce two important new Wikimedia Foundation hires. Zack Exley will be Wikimedia's new Chief Community Officer, and Barry Newstead will be our Chief Global Development Officer.

Re: [Foundation-l] Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

2010-05-13 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, William Pietri wrote: I was rummaging for story about Samuel Johnson and people hunting for naughty words in his dictionary, when I came across a Google Books reproduction of an 1896 periodical titled The Homiletic Review,

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Austin Hair wrote: I am less confident about unbalanced. The old logo could also be said to be visually unbalanced and perhaps we're just used to it? I'm sure that's part of it—the old one really does look a bit crowded,

Re: [Foundation-l] Removing questions about me and my role from this discussion

2010-05-09 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: In the interest of encouraging this discussion to be about real philosophical/content issues, rather than be about me and how quickly I acted, I've just now removed virtually all permissions to actually do

Re: [Foundation-l] pediapress in English... and in hardcover?

2010-05-09 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: Lost in the recent email flood: pediapress is fully working for English. http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/06/wikipedia-and-pediapress-now-allow-you-to-create-books-from-content-in-english/ Does anyone

Re: [Foundation-l] Removing questions about me and my role from this discussion

2010-05-09 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: My purpose here is for us to stop chattering about this aspect of things - which I don't care about. People seem to want to fight me on it, perhaps expecting me to dig in my heels. Everyone loves a

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-08 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: This isn't an ideal situation. We should have a situation in which Jimmy's technical power derives from the authority of the board of trustees or from a community mandate, or we should have a situation in

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: To the contrary, I have been very active in discussions both on the wiki, in email, and in irc. Pretending that I'm not a reasonable person open to discussion and debate is not going to be very persuasive

Re: [Foundation-l] Where things stand now

2010-05-08 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: We were about to be smeared in all media as hosting hardcore pornography and doing nothing about it. Now, the correct storyline is that we are cleaning up. I'm proud to have made sure that storyline broke

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

2010-05-08 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: I disagree with the suggestion that it would have been better for Fox to have gone with the original story they were trying to create rather than with the story Jimmy in effect created for them. I assume

[Foundation-l] Where things stand now

2010-05-08 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 And when people pointed out your errors, rather than say I'm sorry and restore the images, you re-deleted and continued your rampage. That sounds eerily reminiscent of what Mike Godwin said about Fox news: when their mistakes are brought to their

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Philippe Beaudette becomes Head of Reader Relations

2010-04-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: As I'm sending this, I'm wondering: have we actually started an announce-only list? +1 for that! I think Cary typically handles creating mailing lists. I'm delighted to tell you that Philippe Beaudette

[Foundation-l] Update on outreach projects

2010-04-13 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aradhana Ravindra will support the Bookshelf project as a contractor Glad to see that the bookshelf project is getting additional staffing - however didn't some staff leave the project as well? - -Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, John Doe wrote: I agree top posting tends to be the most effective method for handling mailing lists On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: The easiest way to deal with such

Re: [Foundation-l] How to kill a mailing list

2010-03-16 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Anthony wrote: August 2009: 1030 September 2009: 791 October 2009: 326 November 2009: 513 December 2009: 234 January 2010: 207 February 2010: 213 March 2010: ??? Does anyone know what the numbers are? Or perhaps this

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, William Pietri wrote: we think there are some interface changes are going to improve both the user experience and the value of the enwiki trial. Why did it take this request from enwiki to have the UX aspect of flagged

Re: [Foundation-l] �lliam Pietri: Where is Flagge dRevisions?

2010-03-02 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Peter Gervai wrote: Are you aware of the fact that it's been used in non-English wikipedias for years? And it's been quite a successful feature. YMMV. grin Are you aware it's been used on enwikibooks too? And has been

Re: [Foundation-l] Sue Gardner, Erik M�ller , W illiam Pietri: Where is FlaggedRevisions?

2010-03-02 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: What about c) people not editing (or not continuing to edit) because they don't like their edits not going live immediately? Any data on that? I think this is one of the two main reasons flagged revs has

Re: [Foundation-l] �lliam Pietri: Where is Flagge dRevisions?

2010-03-01 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Alex wrote: Why this wasn't done before it was deployed on dewiki or anywhere else, I don't know Because only enwiki matters? - -Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Extension of user experience work

2010-03-01 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is great news! I'm thrilled that this important work can become a permanent priority for the Foundation. The usability work has already been a success, and continuing that work will be a major asset towards achieving Wikimedia's goals. I'm also

Re: [Foundation-l] �lliam Pietri: Where is Flagge dRevisions?

2010-02-28 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, William Pietri wrote: The thing we're working on right now is moving flaggedrevs.labs to different hardware. OK, but hasn't it been *months*?! Isn't there a dedicated team for this rollout?! What work are they actually doing?

Re: [Foundation-l] �lliam Pietri: Where is Flagge dRevisions?

2010-02-28 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, William Pietri wrote: I've reported when I thought I had something to report I think the problem here is that you haven't reported any accomplishments because there haven't been any. Perhaps you're actually saying that the

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Danese Cooper joins Wikimedia as CTO

2010-01-29 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: As CTO, Danese will be responsible for ensuring Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects run reliably and perform well from a technical standpoint. She will also be responsible for supporting the

Re: [Foundation-l] Give a man a fish and make it illegal to teach fishing

2010-01-25 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, David Gerard wrote: http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/5104 Michael Geist on how excessive copyright and ACTA-like treaties will directly affect the process of sharing and education, i.e. what we do. - d. Actually,

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, David Gerard wrote: 2010/1/14 David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com: As for the link, showing these in greatly enlarged versions, without the context of the articles in which they are used, is setting up a strong bias. We've

Re: [Foundation-l] (no subject)

2009-12-15 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry to be blunt but, Why is this question so Wikipedia-centric? Other projects have proved ideal testing grounds for usability and such. Because Wikipedia is the cash cow. I was going to rant, but it became too depressing because it wouldn't

Re: [Foundation-l] Whither, video tutorials?

2009-12-04 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here are two: *http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_video_tutorial-1-Editing-en.ogv *http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_video_tutorial-2-Reliability-en.ogv Plus a making-of video:

Re: [Foundation-l] Follow up: Fan History joining the WMF family

2009-11-30 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Could someone let me know why we need a bureaucratic process (I mean bureaucratic without the connotative value) to approve new projects when there has been exactly zero proposals since 2006 that actually needed to be approved? (And in fact, there is

Re: [Foundation-l] (no subject)

2009-10-27 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Issue 1: The official and public description of CheckUser lays out a transparent process for justifying when and how it may be used. In practice, it is often used in secret and quick back door process. First issue is the misrepresentation to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Strategic planning task force application

2009-09-21 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 wrote: on 9/21/09 7:00 PM, Philippe Beaudette at pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just to follow up - I just sent a test submit, and it acted correctly, and sent me to application submission successful. Philippe, Did you receive my

[Foundation-l] WMF decommissions servers

2009-09-15 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I wanted to let folks know that WMF is decommissioning some 35 servers, and is willing to accept requests from users interested in using them for Wikimedia-related purposes. If you can ship a server from Tampa to where you are, and if you can

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-10 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brion Vibber wrote: IMO we need to do that for the projects we already have before we take on new obligations! We still have very poor software support for:... Thanks Brion, it is good to know that the tech team is aware of these issues and will

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-09 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Gerard wrote: Proposals I recall seeing for new projects either fit into a current project (e.g. Wikibooks - really, Wikipedia is a book, too) Sorry, Wikibooks is for *textbooks* and Wikipedia is not a textbook. (We also have a cookbook,

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-08 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Moeller wrote: Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely to engage in Another issue is that all our projects use the MediaWiki platform (and

[Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-04 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Another possible explanation for what's happening at the WMF HQ is that the whole operation is preparing to move to new digs, and rather than break their lease, they're seeking to find a subtenant to avoid some financial penalty for early exit. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Dispute resolution mailing list

2009-07-24 Thread Mike.lifeguard
No, really, you need to discuss this on wikien-l instead of here. This has been explained to you by multiple people on multiple occasions. I'd suggest someone enforce that if need be. Thanks, -Mike On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 12:24 -0700, stevertigo wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM,

Re: [Foundation-l] Dispute resolution mailing list

2009-07-23 Thread Mike.lifeguard
I'm sorry, this is really not something that needs discussion on foundation-l. This concerns English Wikipedia, and not the wider Wikimedia community or the Foundation itself. Please consider moving this discussion back to the project-specific mailing list or the project itself so to the community

Re: [Foundation-l] Report To The Board: March 2009

2009-07-23 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Sue, thanks so much for compiling and sharing these reports, it is always great to see how much the Foundation is doing as time progresses. I notice that in each report there has been a list of media with which the Foundation has had contact - is that generally interviews requested by the media,

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia-Canada] Canadian copyrights

2009-07-22 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Thanks for this reminder. I've been putting together a submission myself and I'd urge others to do the same. If you're not sure where to begin, michaelgeist.ca has some excellent discussion of where Canadian copyright law should be headed. In addition to individual submissions, what are the

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Good eyes, Sj. I have to agree - opening a new wiki for every single project is a terrible idea, as we've learned from quality.wikimedia.org. Please try to use Meta for this purpose. -Mike On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 02:19 -0400, Samuel Klein wrote: A related question - I see there was a request to

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Is it time to close the advisory board wiki like we just closed quality.wikimedia.org? Considering the state you describe, I rather think so (even qualitywiki wasn't so bad). Content could be moved to foundationwiki or Meta (or both) depending on what it is. -Mike On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 17:08

Re: [Foundation-l] Recommending a Browser for High Quality Ogg Theora Video Support

2009-07-10 Thread Mike.lifeguard
This is totally off-topic and also a low blow. Please join #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net and ask about FF3.5 (or search google; no shortage of information) - I think you'll find the answers more satisfying than this email misleadingly suggests. -Mike On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 17:53 +0200, Gerard

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-06 Thread Mike.lifeguard
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 21:54 -0700, Michael Snow wrote: One example is interest groups that aren't tied to geography, the way the chapters are. I always cite the idea of an Association of Blind Wikipedians, who might wish to organize to promote work on accessibility issues. Actually, that

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-03 Thread Mike.lifeguard
, Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fmwrote: Purely out of ignorance, why do we like ogg, but not H264? Or is it not that we don't /like/ it, but rather we simply don't support it as a format for whatever reason? Thanks, -Mike ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Purely out of ignorance, why do we like ogg, but not H264? Or is it not that we don't /like/ it, but rather we simply don't support it as a format for whatever reason? Thanks, -Mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Actually, what Commons does is store media files. Whether it does that for other projects or not is the open question we're considering at present. You shouldn't define your premises to meet your conclusions if you want to participate in a constructive dialogue. Thanks, -Mike On Tue, 2009-06-16

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia tracks user behaviour via third party companies

2009-06-04 Thread Mike.lifeguard
The Ombudsman Commission would likely be that group. Although their focus has traditionally been CheckUser, their purview actually covers any and all violations of the privacy policy. Here is one such case. At this moment, I agree: this sysop shouldn't be. -Mike On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 06:21

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing resolution

2009-05-22 Thread Mike.lifeguard
I have been keeping an eye on what content got imported on English Wikibooks. If there has been anything imported from offsite GFDL-only sources I'm not aware of it. To be honest though, that's not saying much - we often have contributors bring us whole books they wrote elsewhere - but that's not

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing resolution

2009-05-22 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Wikibooks uses GFDL. We do have some revisions which may be multi-licensed, but it's probably not safe to assume that any books are entirely multi-licensed (though some do make that claim). -Mike On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 02:12 +0100, David Gerard wrote: 2009/5/23 Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not the Karma Sutra, was Re: commons and freely licensed sexual imagery

2009-05-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Obviously not; here we are discussing it. One wonders if we actually did learn any lessons during the Enlightenment... -Mike On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 10:04 -0400, The Cunctator wrote: I can't believe Fred is litigating this again. He's been around long enough to know that censorship is a dead

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not the Karma Sutra, was Re: commons and freely licensed sexual imagery

2009-05-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Actually, I would argue that we shouldn't censor for principled reasons. Supposing it were the case that we could safely censor only sexual content with no slippery slope, we still shouldn't do so because it is wrong regardless what the practical consequences may or may not be. That said, a more

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not the Karma Sutra, was Re: commons and freely licensed sexual imagery

2009-05-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
While this may be true for Wikipedia (English Wikipedia?), it is certainly not true of Wikimedia project generally. For example, Wikibooks has a subproject Wikijunior which is an attempt to create high-quality children's books. Part of the defined scope here is that the books are appropriate for

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Mike.lifeguard
I would love to see these adopted for Commons photographers. The issue will become knowing when these principles are being violated. For example, if you're going to alter audio to serve your own POV, you're not going to make it obvious you've done so. Detection is one problem, but even if you've

Re: [Foundation-l] Alternating sitenotices is kinda confusing

2009-04-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
So far as I know, this is solved by givine each centralnotice a different id (which is how they're identified to be hidden - or at least that was the case in the past). Should be easy to do. -Mike On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 09:56 -0700, Robert Rohde wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Erik

Re: [Foundation-l] Alternating sitenotices is kinda confusing

2009-04-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
, 2009-04-14 at 10:49 -0700, Robert Rohde wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm wrote: So far as I know, this is solved by givine each centralnotice a different id (which is how they're identified to be hidden - or at least that was the case

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: New Chief Program Office: Jennifer Riggs

2009-04-14 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Welcome, Jennifer! Congratulations to the hiring committee as well for carrying out a successful hiring process. While the Foundation is expanding, I think this and other recent hirings show there's no loss of focus on the power behind the projects, which is the massive base of volunteer

[Foundation-l] Another #wikibooks meeting: April 09, 2009 21:00 UTC

2009-04-04 Thread Mike.lifeguard
come - listen, participate, whatever! See you there -Mike Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] Wikibooks community-building meeting

2009-02-13 Thread Mike.lifeguard
, -Mike.lifeguard Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-28 Thread Mike.lifeguard
wishes. Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l