Re: [Foundation-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books

2012-03-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:00, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: No, I think there were only like three big universal encyclopaedias still being printed (Britannica, Brockhaus, and Russian Encyclopaedia?), unless

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:01, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia will be there. You will find here some

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-25 Thread Milos Rancic
Watch the first 2:40 of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3vVVOa-Euw :) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:56, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: PS I have no idea about the Serbian situation, and I am glad they do not need to discuss it anymore. Not sure that we won't do that anyway. Just as a warning. ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 17:52, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: No I will not apologize for act according with my culture. If Mister de Vreede has a problem with people from different cultures he shouldn't be part of a international movement. (And besides if someone would complain about

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 14:54, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: I take it you are aware that each chapter developped over time its own set of partners (similar-minded organizations that have overlapping goals with the chapters). These organizations have developped a specific

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 15:58, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: It would be great if we can have this discussion without making sarcastic remarks like this - I know it is a sensitive topic, but I also know that we're in a suboptimal situation here right now. In the past discussions

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 17:48, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I am not sure if I remember well the arguments exactly (those who do, please help) * we supported chapter creation covering a geographical area rather than not mostly because a legal entity ought to be linked to

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:26, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/2/12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: We're getting very off topic, but you are right that there is a problem with dormant chapters. I know nothing about the Russian chapter, but I do know how difficult it

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 04:28, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for letting us all know about this, Beria. So...a few questions. Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? Will the names of the

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3

2012-02-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 19:17, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: The situation was absolutely crazy. Some candidates had access to chapters wiki and could have feedback from the answers of other candidates while others like the one I nominated didn't. One candidate, Phoebe, published her

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] English Wikipedia to go dark January 18 in opposition to SOPA/PIPA

2012-01-17 Thread Milos Rancic
Wikimedia Serbia also supports English Wikipedians [1] (English grammar fixes are welcome :) ): Wikimedia Serbia wants to express solidarity with English Wikipedians in protest against the proposed laws -- SOPA and PIPA --, which undermine the freedom of information on Internet. Unlike the laws

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 02:42, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: I might just be a crypto-American chauvinist (and really, that sort of inflammatory message is completely unnecessary on this list), so I apologise for any ignorance on the situation, but would Wikimedia Serbia really be the

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:23, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 January 2012 09:09, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Structural help is not Wikimedia's task [yet]. There are a lot of other institutions which could give them money for daily operations or artifacts preservation

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 00:36, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Although the problem has not been solved, it appears that it has at least been staved off: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9S3I7DO1.htm Obviously, cultural institutions are in bad situation and not just in

Re: [Foundation-l] Missing wikis now redirect to Incubator

2011-12-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 23:26, Robin Pepermans robinp.1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, As of yesterday, when you go to a missing wiki (the redlinks on Special:SiteMatrix) you will no longer see a static this wiki does not exist error, but it will redirect to the Wikimedia Incubator, where

Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia

2011-12-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 19:23, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote: What did WMF do when WikiLeaks domains were seized and its fundraising payment processors (PayPal, Visa, MasterCard) were cut off? Did WMF protest against Internet censorship? No. Wikimedia defends itself, not the

Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia

2011-12-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 21:38, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote: It's complex, Milos. We are not activists. Being a volunteer in Wikimedia do not torn ourselves activists. It could be, but the option to be a volunteer in Wikipedia is just a option to share the free knowledge,

Re: [Foundation-l] Internet Workers of the World

2011-11-19 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 23:35, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Internet-Workers-of-the-World/224417737626665?sk=wall Our union I was thinking about party, but union is better :) ___ foundation-l mailing list

[Foundation-l] Occupy events: Are you OK?

2011-11-17 Thread Milos Rancic
I came from pub and before going to bed, I checked emails and news. And I saw that the conflict with police is escalating. As many Wikimedians participate in OWS and other Occupy protests in US, it would be good that you report here what's going on with you.

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 19:36, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: If I understand correctly, the English Wikipedia is the main test deployment for this as an experimental feature. While the feature remains

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

2011-10-30 Thread Milos Rancic
Mostly useless and mostly harmless thing becomes harmful at the moment when people start to spend a lot of time on discussing it. A note for future improvements: Yes, WMF should do bold actions, but it shouldn't waste community's confidence on mostly useless improvements.

Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

2011-10-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:43, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia?

[Foundation-l] New Version of PROTECT IP Bill May Target Legal Sites

2011-10-26 Thread Milos Rancic
If so, goodbye wiki, as well. At least in US. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10/26/0451240/new-version-of-protect-ip-bill-may-target-legal-sites ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] moderation soft limit

2011-10-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 04:19, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow David Gerard, Milos Rancic, Kim and Tobias Oelgarte made it to 96, 95, 89 and 83 posts last month.  Last month Thomas Dalton, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen and I posted 39, 37 and 35 times respectively, and everyone else

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 18:19, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: If we provide a filter, we have to be pragmatic, and restrict its application to media that significant demographics really might want to filter. That should be designed well and maintained, too. I am really frustrated by

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

2011-10-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:49, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: Even this corrected version does not seem to be right. As I understand the proposed law, the subject would have the right for a statement to be shown, unaltered, on the page (which actually would be possible for Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 16:03, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: When writers guild went on strike, we could still watch old stuff, right, it wasn't pulled ;-) If doctors go on strike, people are still allowed to live, retroactive disease correction is not done... When truck drivers

Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?

2011-10-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 06:27, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. Wikipedia needs to strike just one day to get requests fulfilled. That's good to know! Congratulations

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Milos Rancic
I think that Wikimedians should give response on that: * Writing emails and letters to Italian embassies in your country. (I will email them immediately.) * Demonstrate -- 5 people are enough -- in front of embassy in your country. * If you are in EU country, ask your EU parliament members to talk

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 16:03, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Wikimedians should give response on that: * Writing emails and letters to Italian embassies in your country. (I will email them immediately.) * Demonstrate -- 5 people are enough -- in front of embassy in your

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia statement on recent events around Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Milos Rancic
Wikimedia Serbia supports Italian Wikipedians in denouncing the proposed law in the Italian Senate known as the Wiretapping Act and its paragraph 29, which undermines the free speech standards of our civilization. Wikimedia Serbia fully supports the protest of Italian Wikipedians and hopes that

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Milos Rancic
One in English: http://www.businessinsider.com/italy-wikipedia-wiretapping-2011-10 On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 21:57, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: For those not

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 21:58, Aaron Adrignola aaron.adrign...@gmail.com wrote: Whoever has locked out access to it.wikipedia.org should be immediately desysopped under emergency procedures.  This site is run by the Wikimedia Foundation and I've seen no authorization by the WMF for the vandalism

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 22:15, Neil Babbage n...@thebabbages.com wrote: Yes they are able to strike, but that still doesn't give them the right (legal or moral) to shut down property that doesn't belong to them. In any case, if the servers are located in the US then US law applies to their

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 22:32, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: (As an aside, kudos to Milos' rapid response and ability to organize his own local community in support of the concerns of our Italian counterparts.) Thanks! It should be noted that this the decision has been supported by 100% of

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

2011-10-04 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 22:58, Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 22:55, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Another important point here is that Wikipedia is an international project; No, this is not another important point, this is exactly my point.

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-10-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 17:18, church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com wrote: On 09/21/2011 03:47 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: * Create en.safe.wikipedia.org […] Then governments/ISPs/institutions could block unsafe-Wikipedia via DNS blocks. This is, compared to DPI, quite easy. Using

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 15:54, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: (As example: the only 2 girls who commented here - phoebe and me - are in opposite sides. ...) -*B?ria Lima* Technically, you, Sarah Stierch, Phoebe, and Sue have all commented -- at least 4 women, not just 2.

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 16:23, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: One more, but forgot her name and too lazy to search. German females in discussion on German Wikipedia should be also checked. Up to now, all females from US (four of them) are in favor of filter (though, Sarah just

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 16:24, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Milos, I believe this is exactly the kind of post that Sue was talking about in her blog. It is aggressive, it is alienating, and it is intimidating to others who may have useful and progressive ideas but are repeatedly seeing

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 18:29, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I think there is much that can be discussed on the range of topic areas covered in this thread. But we must keep in mind that the views expressed here are those of the individuals, and there is absolutely insufficient information

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 18:46, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have any reason to believe that a statistically significant number and percentage of female editors of the German Wikipedia are active participants in this mailing list? No, but there are German Wikipedians who could

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 19:59, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I just want to point out quickly that I am not American, and my position on all these issues is actually a very Canadian one. Ray and Risker and other Canadians will recognize this. Canada doesn't really feel itself to

Re: [Foundation-l] Berlios.de is shutting down

2011-09-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 21:01, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.berlios.de/ Is there anything we could do to help? Is this too far outside our area? I recall how useful and helpful BerliOS was back in the olden days when it was Wikipedia's downtime backup and news source ...

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 21:12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 September 2011 20:04, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: On this score, it seems likely that we are failing to live up to one of our core principles, that of neutrality. I think we need significantly better

Re: [Foundation-l] 10th wiki-birthdays?

2011-09-24 Thread Milos Rancic
According to [1]: * 15 January: English * 16 March: Catalan, German * 23 March: French * 3 May: Swedish * 11 May: Chinese, Esperanto,Hebrew, Italian, Japanese, Portuguese, Spanish, Russian * 19 June: Dutch * 26 September: Polish * 16 November: Afrikaans * 26 November: Norwegian (Bokmal) * 6

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 14:03, m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: After some thinking I come to the conclusion that this whole discussion is a social phenomenon. You probably know how some topics when mentioned in newspaper articles or blogs spur wild arguments in the comments sections. When the

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 17:20, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 September 2011 16:17, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously, majority of those who have small number of edits -- who represent specific part of readers, those who have opinion toward Wikipedia articles

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 18:43, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: My point is that the dewiki poll being worded in a manner that is pleasing to people who have critiqued the Foundation-wide survey does not render it representative, when it was participated in by at most one eightieth

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 20:42, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: I find it odd that some are inclined to discount the German Wikipedia's poll on the basis that it reflects the views of editors (as opposed to readers as a whole).  Setting aside the general public's ignorance of the WMF

Re: [Foundation-l] Larry Sanger tweets about 13 yo in Wikiproject Pornography

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 19:26, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Dear Press: a self-described 13 YO joined Wikiproject Pornography. Wikipedians support him. webcitation.org/61v0ykxJe webcitation.org/61v1FfW3K        - http://twitter.com/#!/lsanger/status/117299089439334400 Who cares

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 21:20, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: There are around 300M of readers and less than 30k of the extended poll of editors, which brings number of 0,01%. Thus, not just poll = pool ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 16:27, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Such school and safesearch variations already exist. Why waste donor's money creating more? Note that more than 50% of money comes from US and that it could be easily assumed that at least 10% of ~$10M given by US citizens and

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 00:51, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Milos Rancic wrote: There are around 300M of readers and less than 30k of the extended pool of editors, which brings number of 0,01%. Thus, not just irrelevant, but much less than the margin of statistical error. You

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 00:51, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Milos Rancic wrote: Note that more than 50% of money comes from US and that it could be easily assumed that at least 10% of ~$10M given by US citizens and corporations want to have a kind of family friendly Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:10, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Forking and creating safe versions of all our wikis has the same disadvantage of any other fork, the wisdom of crowds is dissipated if the crowd is ever further divided. In that sense this would be as much a

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 15:23, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: It is not the job of Commons community to work on personal wishes of American right-wingers. Well, while we're tarring large groups of people

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 15:16, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 September 2011 14:14, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: The real problem here is that if there was a real market for stupid sites like that, they would already be there. And they are not, which does

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 16:45, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 September 2011 15:43, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: They want that censoring tool and I think that they won't be content until they get it. Thus, let them have it and let them leave the rest of us alone. Ah

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 18:00, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Some people won't be content until Wikipedia's prose conveys their cultural/religious/spiritual beliefs as absolute truth.  Should the WMF provide en.[insert belief system].wikipedia.org so they can edit it and leave the

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: What is the advantage of that compared with the feature as it was originally proposed? All you've done is made the URL more complicated. You'll still need to use user preferences to determine which images are getting

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 20:47, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Milos Rancic wrote: Don't worry! Any implementation of censorship project would lead to endless troll-fests which would be more dumb than Youtube comments. The point is just to kick out them out of productive projects

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 21:09, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: You choose discussions about images in a circus outside the context they belong to? This won't be circus, since we just reduced the amount of arguments from some to zero. If combatants argue about a topic

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 20:38, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: An opt-in filter using the same URL as everything else won't affect anything else either. Except: 1) fierce opposition from significant part of the community. (I don't care about the quality of opposition, just about

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 22:04, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: An alternative proposal (which is *far* simpler and maintains neutrality) already has the public backing of WMF trustee Samuel Klein: Oh, I don't read Meta pages related to Image filter. It's definitely better option!

[Foundation-l] robots.txt and archive.org

2011-09-18 Thread Milos Rancic
May someone ask Internet Archive to open histories of the Main Pages of Wikipedias in their Time Machine? If they harvested it at all. Their Time Machine is usually the only exact way to find when early Wikipedias were created, but histories of the pages are blocked because of our robots.txt.

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

2011-09-17 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 00:38, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think White_Cat's nomination is purely without ulterior motive, unfortunately. As some editors from ku.wp have alluded to, the issue of the name and designation of the Kurdish Wikipedia has ethnic and nationalist

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

2011-09-17 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 18:35, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: If all Kurdish editors had been in favor of having a Kurdish Wikipedia as an emblem of their unified ethnic identity, as you claim, then there would never have been a separate Sorani Wikipedia. That's true. For example, we

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:39, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to see all Commons splendour. Using the

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:50, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 16.09.2011 12:42, schrieb Milos Rancic: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:39, emijrpemi...@gmail.com  wrote: I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in German Wikipedia for all those

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:45, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:50, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 16.09.2011 12:42, schrieb Milos Rancic: On Fri, Sep

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 16:27, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: What is your obsession with nudity about? The filter isn't about nudity. Ah, you are right! I completely missed the point of the image filter because my obsession... It's about scared places of indigenous peoples

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 18:52, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 16.09.2011 16:15, schrieb Milos Rancic: It's about implementing image filter on images which have copyright problems in Germany (but not in US), not about nudity. And it got awesomely off-topic. Now we

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

2011-09-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:35, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: In this case, I do not think anything local changed by langcom, the foundation, or anybody else unless it creates legal problems. The only thing this request covers is the code itself, which is currently wrong since ku is a

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 20:17, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 09:01:04PM +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: It's not so hard to guess if you followed them for some time: * Ting: ambivalent; would be much more happy without the whole drama * Jan-Bart: not his business

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-15 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 14:34, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia has never had paid staff writing content, which is what was suggested for Wikinews. The community doesn't need managing, it needs to be large enough to produce enough content to attract readers (some of whom

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-15 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 16:43, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 20:02, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: The question is, would paid staff be a healthy temporary boost

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-15 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 16:46, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: And, as Andrew Lih mentioned, Wikipedia *had* payed editor at the beginning. Did I say this? I don't remember saying so. I thought that it was you

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-15 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 16:52, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: In my book I described Nupedia, and how that system of having a paid head didn't work out (namely, Larry Sanger as editor in chief). In fact, if you

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-15 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 06:12, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't say that we shouldn't rely on volunteers, I said that we need for the beginning one employed person: employee which management would be Wikinews community. I think that the syntax in the last sentence is broken

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 18:19, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:48:58 +0200, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com Theo, volunteers do not care about things which require to be accurate. Besides that, more and more volunteer positions were replaced by paid staff

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 20:03, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: certain Elections come to mind. For example, there is the recent case of the upcoming steward election which was previously handled by Cary as a Volunteer Coordinator (among several dozen things Cary did) but since his

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 20:02, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: The question is, would paid staff be a healthy temporary boost for sustainability or be futile artificial life support? I fear it's the latter. As Wikipedia requires WMF employees to keep servers running, Wikinews requires

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 07:39, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: Milos, you state that Americans see everything involving nudity under the label as porn and offensive, and filtering with that mindset is a bad idea.  You're correct about Americans acting that way in general. Just a

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

2011-09-12 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:04, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Also, if there was no group let us give a random example - in Macedonia - who wanted to organize the contest, still it would be a good idea to open a category for WLM in Macedonia, just to get a chance to indeed involve

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

2011-09-12 Thread Milos Rancic
2011/9/12 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com: W dniu 12 września 2011 19:30 użytkownik Tomasz Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com napisał: On 12.09.2011 19:05, Milos Rancic wrote: Eh, wrong example. There is Wikimedia Macedonia and they really hate monuments because every local tycoon builds

Re: [Foundation-l] Informing chapters about closing/opening wikis (+ useful list)

2011-09-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 14:17, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote: This is an excellent idea. However, to cut down on frivolous closure requests, will you also make more explicit on the page (within the policy) that requests for closure can *no longer* be based upon inactivity alone? My

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 03:17, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8 September 2011 17:28, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: As I am speaking as a steward, I have to say that it's very good news for us. Instead of being harassed because not dealing with harassment, since

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 13:44, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: On 9/7/11 9:15 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: I think that damage produced by thiswhatever  should be localized. The target is English Wikipedia, Board is not especially interested in other Wikipedia editions and other projects

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 00:59, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: The resolutions are more a reflection of what issues the board is able to reach a consensus on, as opposed to what it is interested in. From my experience, there was a fair bit of discussion about various concerns

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 00:18, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:    - Harassment, threats, stalking, vandalism, and other long-term issues: The proposed agreement would make clear that such acts are prohibited.     Novel for us, the agreement also raises the possibility of a global ban for  

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 02:14, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 01:48, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 00:18, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:    - Harassment, threats, stalking, vandalism, and other long-term issues

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 03:34, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 06/09/2011 3:19 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: I realized that I started to participate in this madness when I asked for some data from the results. And now, community is asked to participate into the Next steps [3] Milos, I

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:22, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 September 2011 09:15, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: We need to stop wasting time and energy on personal wishes of two Board members. As it isn't about removing the content, any solution is better than wasting

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 15:14, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: We know that our core contributors are a homogeneous group and could be introducing biases into WMF, both in  content and policy decisions. Of course. Those editors created Wikipedia based on their biases. There wouldn't

[Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-06 Thread Milos Rancic
Not long ago I had a gaffe on internal-l, by publicly expressing opinion what do I really think about Wiki Loves Monuments, although my intention was to send a private email. However, WLM has a number of good sides: Commons will be filled with photos, people will spend time together, it makes at

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:22, Oliver Moran oliver.mo...@gmail.com wrote: In future, let's just call these kind of things a survey, can we? TLDR; surveys are great but don't call them a referendum if you don't ask a direct question Welcome to the political society! I could imagine how the

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 14:33, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Personally, I think the filter will be mostly harmless, and that it's not worth the effort to rail against it. It will be useful for PR -- it will seem as if we are trying to accomodate all points of view even if the

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