Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-23 Thread stevertigo
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.yu wrote: I suggest a hatnote on the main page of the site: This is the website of Wikimedia United Kingdom. For other uses, see uk.wikimedia.org (disambiguation). I actually coined the word hatnote - probably in violation of our

[Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Teofilo
Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs.

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Jon Harald Søby
Wikipedias follow the ISO 639 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639language code standard, where uk is the code for the Ukrainian language. The chapter sites, however, use the ISO 3166http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166standard for country codes, and ua is the code for the country of Ukraine.

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
Hi Jon, Thanks a lot for promt and informative (so valuable) input. Regarding Wikipedias follow the ISO 639 language code standard and The chapter sites, however, use the ISO 3166 standard for country codes, all WPs and all chapters have to do that very strictly and same way, aren't they

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Mark Williamson
Cruccone, I can confirm what you've said about Brazilian Portuguese, although I don't know that I'd characterise it as a lot. Back in older times before there was much Breton content there, the domain was squatted by people who would have liked to have a separate WP for Brazilian Portuguese

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Milos Rancic
Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Mark Williamson
Yes same issue for Sinhala (of Sri Lanka) and the country code for Slovenia - SI or Burmese and Malaysia - MY or Virgin Islands and Vietnamese - VI. I'm sure there are several other cases as well. Mark On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia Serbia and

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
I'm sure there are several other cases as well. I'm quite sure that was the main reason to pick this issue up to this mailing list. It seems that it's high time to create some page on Meta to place whole list there and to collect there precedents how such issue were solved. On Wed, Jul 22,

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If you are going to solve this, then it is the cheapest not to wait. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/22 Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_?

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
... At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. Anyhow is it possible to have some explicit estimation about when at some point could happen? It might make sense to put a note

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: ... At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. I'm not sure how the WMF servers are set up, it might be possible to direct our

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. I'm not sure how the WMF servers are set up, it might be possible to direct our domain directly at their servers... Worth looking into. Please look into as move to own servers will not be in nearest weeks. As to the best of my understanding:

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Andrew Turvey
List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 10:26:02 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: There should not be any real problem to link wikimedia.org.uk directly to Wikimedia UK chapter wiki (wherever it's hosted). It depends on how the WMF has everything set up. They have a complicated setup for hosting multiple wikis, it may well be

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Andrew Turvey
- Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote: I suggest a hatnote on the main page of the site: This is the website of Wikimedia United Kingdom. For other uses, see uk.wikimedia.org (disambiguation). I've added a hatnote in the meantime redirecting users to UK-WP and WM-UA. --

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Andrew Turvey
or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Cary Bass
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pavlo Shevelo wrote: Hi Andrew, Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Shure, we *have to* :) do so No sense to bother everybody by details. Pavlo Shevelo How about a new

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? What for? (: To arrange mailing between two chapters? :) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Cary Bassc...@wikimedia.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pavlo Shevelo wrote: Hi Andrew, Could we take this offline and

Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon

2009-07-22 Thread Cary Bass
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? What for? (: To arrange mailing between two chapters? :) I meant for my post to be humours, but I failed to include my :-) ! -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: