[Foundation-l] Umberto Eco's interview

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
Thank for the interview, very interesting. However, Eco is not uncritical about Wikipedia. The computer in general, and the Internet in particular, is good for the rich and bad for the poor. That is, Wikipedia is good for me, because I am able to find the information I need; I do not trust it,

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco's interview

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
Oh dear, I see my last message did have a line wrap. Some time since I subscribed to a list like this, I know there is a way round the problem, can anyone help? Best Peter ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
Gerard writes: The trouble is that attempts to make something that lures experts but keeps idiots out of their faces have so far failed and/or attracted no attention, even from the experts (Citizendium, Scholarpedia). That is, they sound like a good idea; but in practice, Wikipedia has so far

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues.

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
It is helpful that on Wikipedia the editorial process is largely transparent, so the question how did it get like this? can actually be answered. Wikipedia is not reliable, but it turns out that how paper encyclopedias and newspapers were written was similarly susceptible In the case of

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues.

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues. I don't really see this as a

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontentissues.

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com The answer is probably that we're not finished yet and need more participation from people interested in writing encyclopedically in the area. Basically, the answer is interested contributors bothering to put in the effort,

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues.

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
Unfortunately, credentialism doesn't work. And I wasn't suggesting it would. Embarrassing Wikipedia in blog posts seems to work, one factoid at a time Well I hope so. However when I wrote this http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/06/william-of-ockham.html The only correction was to remove the

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that dealswithcontentissues.

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
From: Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com It seems that Humanities are overall a problematic area for Wikipedia, because less involved in consensus building, and much focused in the stratification of different interpretations. No quite untrue. My background is analytic philosophy and I

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues. We need to set up a regular mechanism which analyzes and

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia thatdealswithcontentissues.

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Damian
From: Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com I do think it is easier to understand and comprehend the procedures, ideas and mechanisms of Wikipedia (for many reasons). From what I've experienced, it is generally more difficult to explain these things to humanities scholars that stm

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

2010-08-30 Thread Peter Damian
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro_hominemoldid=369721624 - Original Message - From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net It's a simple error that most proof-readers would find. Well only if they can read Latin, which is not that usual these days. It looks right at first

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues.

2010-08-31 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues. Irony. David Gerard

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontentissues.

2010-08-31 Thread Peter Damian
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Actually David wrote the page. I thought it was interesting ... No, that section was substantially written by Trent Toulouse. I did get the calculator out (sorry). There are 608 edits to the article. 252 were by you. I don't know what section you are

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues.

2010-08-31 Thread Peter Damian
Hoping I am not straying too far off-topic. I looked at the article on Young Earth Creationism in CZ http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Young_earth_creationism . It comes in from some heavy criticism in the RationalWiki article http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium for being heavily (and

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues.

2010-08-31 Thread Peter Damian
From: John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com Pseudo-science, pseudo-humanities, etc are no stranger to Wikipedia, and our processes have not always been victorious over it. Simply put, the rubbish on Wikipedia outweights the rubbish on CZ, and I suspect that an academically sound study would indicate

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues.

2010-09-01 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net The post I was responding to was nothing but an assessment of a Citizendium article. It made no comparison, favorable or unfavorable, to an equivalent article on Wikipedia. At most it engaged in some speculation about what

[Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-14 Thread Peter Damian
I have recently been reading the Ambassadors, by Henry James. Here is the version from 2005: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Ambassadorsoldid=32161591 Here is the current version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambassadors They are both very bad. So, two points. (1)

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-14 Thread Peter Damian
I also posted this to the Wikipedia Review here http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=showtopic=30718view=findpostp=252408 We ought to become closer, no? Peace, love, metadata etc Peter ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
Putting this in context. If I were to donate, say £1,500 of gross income to WMF, it would be reasonable to ask what this money was for: how it was helping. The WMF goal is to collect and developing educational content and to disseminate it effectively and globally. Wikipedia is the main

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
How would locking Wikipedia down fulfill the mission to collect all the educational information known. Information changes constantly, new information becomes available constantly, and new material gets added to old articles constantly. I myself just added some new detail to an article within

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
Risker In 2005, the English Wikipedia had less than half the number of articles it has now. Hs anyone made a serious study of what these articles actually contain? Only a tiny number of articles were considered of high enough quality to be featured in 2005; that number has grown exponentially

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
Are you stating that Peter is stating that a general encyclopedia should not be oriented to topics of interest to the masses? Who exactly is the audience if not the masses? I don't know what Nathan means here. I believe that an encyclopedia should be of popular interest, and be presented in

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? It's always been my impression that you fundamentally

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Can you give an example of what appeal to the popular means in the context of our project

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? I dont understand how information about pornography, computer games, tv shows... is not

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? I dont understand how information about pornography, computer games, tv shows... is not

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Quote: Then you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word 'educational' I think.

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-17 Thread Peter Damian
I would appreciate it if people did not make reference to banned users unless it is relevant to the subject of this thread, which is about the nature of education, whether educational content is appropriate for Wikipedia, and whether encyclopedia is improving its coverage of educational

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-17 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? As for progress since 2005 - unless I'm mistaken, all of

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-18 Thread Peter Damian
To Notbod's long note. To say Wikipedia's coverage is 'frighteningly large' is not the same as saying its coverage is 'even'. On the list here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Core_topics_-_1,000 I have looked at Philosophy and nearly all the 11 articles there are horrifyingly bad.

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-18 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? What would you suggest the Wikimedia Foundation do to

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-18 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? You say You haven't demonstrated there is enough of

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-18 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Your position is flawed. What is enduring is not the same as what will be interesting to future

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? (1) demanding subject matter, requiring some

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-20 Thread Peter Damian
Some excellent comments in the last few posts. To address a few. 1. On the idea that scholars in the humanities don't know how to work together: definitely not!! I myself am working on a collaborative project (a translation of Duns Scotus) with someone in the US. I have never met this

[Foundation-l] Classifying what is on Wikipedia

2010-09-20 Thread Peter Damian
Following on from my previous posts about trying to classify the scope and coverage of humanities subjects in Wikipedia, I have a practical question: is it possible to query the Wikipedia database in such a way as to get a list of all articles (current version)? Even better, with a second,

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-20 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? However I again submit that in Wikipedia, you are not an expert because you have a credential, you

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-21 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Peter, resorting to ad hominem does nothing to

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-26 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example [...] Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-29 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? On 27 September 2010 15:17, Nathan

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-29 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? You can hardly move on Wikipedia without tripping

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? I predict Wikipedia's biology articles will far

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? That [...] doesn't answer the question I asked:

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? As such, and in the interest of better philosophy

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
The question of which ones of the list philosophers will 'balk at' is quite different from the question of 'what would work' i.e. what would improve the content. Answer: none of them. They are all eminently sensible and desirable. On citation I can remember getting this drummed into me

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? But are [sic] mission is to explain things to that level. You have totally missed Sarah's point. She

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Haven't you ever read Atlas Shrugged! OK you're a nutcase. Sorry. This is exactly the problem I have

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? You can't spell, you can't write, you shift ground constantly, you fail to understand even the most

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? You can sit in your padded room and throw your toys around in a temper tantrum, but that still won't

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Wikipedia does appear to have fallen into its own

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:54 AM Subject: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? On 2 October 2010 22:44, David Gerard

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Much of what you say here is true, David.

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? It was never intended however to be a collaboration amongst experts, but rather an encyclopedia built

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? 1. One of the foundational works that was used to create Wikipedia was the 1911 EB. Wherever that

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? This is absolutely the attitude I've encountered on

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? I can think of a very labour-intensive change -- a

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Anthony wikim...@inbox.org To: Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? In my experience by verifiability, Wikipedians mean published somewhere, not verifiably

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Damian
. - Original Message - From: Anthony wikim...@inbox.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Peter Damian peter.dam

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? I am not qualified to judge articles on

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Peter Damian

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Oh yes and how could I forget this monstrosity

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Noein prono...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? So, Peter, how is this communication failure [1] (and I think

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Your own history, Peter, proves that you are incorrect;

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Noein prono...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Philosophy: I'm a philosopher; why don't I edit the article on

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Noein prono...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? I am sincerely asking you, without insinuation: how do you

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Peter wrote: 2. An initiative to highlight 5 top importance

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Noein prono...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? Note, Peter, that I am not rejecting the value of your

Re: [Foundation-l] Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)

2010-10-07 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is) I am wondering if Philippe could share with

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Peter Damian
I don't know why such fuss has been made in the media about this. Under Chinese law, Xiaobo is a criminal who has been sentenced by Chinese judicial departments for violating Chinese law http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/461876 His own community has delivered a verdict upon him: he is a

[Foundation-l] Free speech

2010-10-10 Thread Peter Damian
My apologies for the Godwinism. I am a writer, the idea of preventing someone expressing a viewpoint is reprehensible. Disruption to the project of building a comprehensive and reliable reference source is one thing. That is a matter of a 'preventative block'. Punitive blocks intended to

Re: [Foundation-l] Free speech

2010-10-10 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Free speech if an irrational argument is preventing you from sharing logical arguments,

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-12 Thread Peter Damian
Crowd-sourced reputations! We list all the people who want to be experts, and let Wikimedians vote them up or down! Kind of like academic Hot or Not. Something like Ebay would actually make sense. Yes, seriously. Otherwise the article irritated me in that once again it cited the badly

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-12 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux On 12 October 2010 20:54, Peter Damian peter.dam

Re: [Foundation-l] This is tolerated on the Wikimedia Foundation mailing list?

2010-10-14 Thread Peter Damian
This is unacceptable. Please apologise to Greg. - Original Message - From: Gregory Kohs To: Ral315 ; Austin Hair Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: This is tolerated on the Wikimedia Foundation mailing list?

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-14 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux And it didn't irritate you that this is a vice-chancellor

Re: [Foundation-l] This is tolerated on the Wikimedia Foundation mailing list?

2010-10-14 Thread Peter Damian
for his efforts. Thanks, GerardM On 14 October 2010 19:21, Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote: This is unacceptable. Please apologise to Greg. - Original Message - From: Gregory Kohs To: Ral315 ; Austin Hair Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:42 PM Subject

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-14 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Peter Damian

[Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-16 Thread Peter Damian
A short piece here http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/10/andronicus-of-rhodes.html You can read it, but the take-home is pretty brief. (1) Here is another of the many examples where proper encyclopedic content is plagiarised entirely from 100-year old sources. (2) Suggesting the thought: if

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-16 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux I don't see how can you call it plagiarism when at

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-16 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux IF you don't like what it says, change it. What really is the point, of pointing out that Oh gosh we

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-16 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: wjhon...@aol.com To: peter.dam...@btinternet.com Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux In a message dated 10/16/2010 12:15:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: There is

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-17 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux (I leave aside the question of whether the synthesis or

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-17 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux I haven't checked the related article on William

Re: [Foundation-l] Conservative collaboration and the Wikipedia model

2010-10-18 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:38 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Conservative collaboration and the Wikipedia model A serious analysis of Conservapedia:

[Foundation-l] Test posting

2010-10-19 Thread Peter Damian
Just a test. It seems I have been put on moderation simply for making the earlier posts about plagiarism on Wikipedia. Free culture! - Original Message - From: foundation-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org To: peter.dam...@btinternet.com Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:17 PM Subject:

[Foundation-l] testing

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Damian
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[Foundation-l] Wikipedia ideology

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Damian
Greetings, I am writing a book on the history of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement, focusing on its 'history of ideas'. Would any Wikipedians be prepared to be interviewed for this? Obviously long-standing Wikipedians would be a focus but I am interested in anyone who is involved in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia ideology

2011-11-03 Thread Peter Damian
You know it would in most cases have been considered an act of good faith to mention your long standing antipathy to wikipedia. But perhaps I'm just old fashioned. I'm sorry about that - I assumed everyone knew who 'Peter Damian' was. I don't understand what you mean about 'antipathy

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia ideology

2011-11-03 Thread Peter Damian
What license(s) will the book be released under? MZMcBride Very funny :) I have just completed my book on Scotus, which will be submitted to the Catholic University Assocation Press next week. Assuming it gets through their lengthy approval process,it will be published under whatever