Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

2021-10-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
Circa 1981 Charles Corfield pitched his idea for an "industrial-strength WYSIWYG word processor" to Sun, which lent him a workstation. https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/whitepapers/25_Years_of_Adobe_Framemaker.pdf On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:00 AM Peter Gold wrote: >

Re: [Framers] Other tools

2021-10-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
Flare's arguably the best alternative to FrameMaker. If your .fm files are formatted consistently, little or no cleanup may be required after import. On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:49 PM Caroline Tabach wrote: > > Someone said they hesitated to recommend Frame because of recent > installation

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

2021-10-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
You can't buy FrameMaker any more. Subscription only. $360 a year is quite cheap compared with other tools. I'm paying a little over $3,000 a year for Paligo. Flare is $2,000. PDF's still a customer requirement for many products, but the other single-sourcing tools I've used all produce

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

2021-10-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Well ... I don't bash FrameMaker because of its capabilities, but I do bash them for the upgrade pricing changes over the years. For me to see the benefits of stability that Reng Winfried says is now available (since FM 7), would require paying for a full FM license - eek! Of course, I do not

Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

2021-10-15 Thread tammyvb
Matt's stuff has saved my bacon more times than I count w/ the newest release of RH, and w/ the newest releases of FM. I am using FM2019 because I really absolutely did not need any of the bells and whistles that keep being added to FM after FM12, and I would have gladly had FM12 pried out of my

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

2021-10-15 Thread Lynne A. Price
Sean,    The binary data in a FrameMaker file identifies the version of FrameMaker used to create the file. Each version of FrameMaker can open files created in that version and earlier, but not files created in a later version. In particular, FM 2019 cannot open files created in FM 2020,

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

2021-10-15 Thread Lin Sims
They gave you a link to the latest general release. Only participants in the beta program get to download beta versions. :D On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:19 PM wrote: > Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support > gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually

Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

2021-10-15 Thread Lin Sims
Matt has published Working with Content 2020, which is for the most recent version of Frame. It's based on the Scriptorium Using FrameMaker 8, and it's pretty helpful. I do recommend it if you're sick of the online help. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:33 PM wrote: > I will say among the many things