Re: [Framers] read/write rules

2021-10-20 Thread dave
Scott Framemaker Update 3 really appears to be my problem. I don't get the error with Update 2 but I get it with Update 3. I uninstalled and reinstalled each twice to make sure. Thanks for the help. David L. Hottman Compliance Automation, Inc C: 720-984-4325  T: 303-481-8467 -Original

Re: [Framers] read/write rules

2021-10-20 Thread Scott Prentice
Dave... I'm quite sure that the FDK at that link is for 16.0.3. It's definitely not the one that was released with 16.0 .. has newer functions/defines. Unfortunately, Adobe doesn't add any versioning to the FDKs other than the major release number, so you have to do some diffing to come up

Re: [Framers] read/write rules

2021-10-20 Thread dave
Scott Thank you for those ideas. I will try them. I was just in the process of uninstalling and reinstalling everything so great timing. I have only ever found one download of the FDK 16 (and it wasn't the Adobe Developer page which only has the FDK 15). It was on the link you provided. I have

Re: [Framers] read/write rules

2021-10-20 Thread Scott Prentice
Hi Dave... When initially building an import/export client for FM16 I had to use VS 2019, but as of 16.0.3 that no longer works. With Update #3, Adobe released a new FDK, but that doesn't work for me either. If you're using 16.0.3, you might try rolling back to 16.0.2 to see if your client

Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread tammyvb
Thank you Dennis!!! Much appreciated. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf Of Dennis Hays > Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [Framers] read/write rules

2021-10-20 Thread dave
Lynn Yes I am kind of thinking the message may not be accurately pointing at the problem. We have recompiled the API client with the FDK16 for Visual Studio 2017. The API client appears to load from the API clients section in the maker.ini file without a problem. When I watch a file being

Re: [Framers] read/write rules

2021-10-20 Thread Lynne A. Price
Dave,    Even though the error message refers to the r/w rules, the problem could be with your API client. Have you recompiled for the newer version of FM?     --Lynne On 10/20/2021 11:32 AM, d...@reqexperts.com wrote: We use a structured application that includes a structured API to

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
You can pay all at once or monthly, but FrameMaker subscriptions are annual. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:50 AM Peter Gold wrote: > > ... To quote a spokes-emu, "Only subscribe for when you need." ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list

[Framers] read/write rules

2021-10-20 Thread dave
All We are converting from Framemaker 15 32 bit to Framemaker 16 64 bit. We use a structured application that includes a structured API to tailor the XML that Framemaker produces. We normally use a very simple read/write file: fm version is "16.0"; fm attribute "Level" drop; fm

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Peter Gold
Business models evolve. One reason to charge via ongoing subscriptions is to finance the increasing ongoing development cost of the incremental releases needed to keep current with industry's advances. Some of Adobe's Creative Cloud subscription products have been offered on intermittent

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
For software companies, one big plus for a subscription model is that they only need to support the latest version. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:20 AM Dennis Hays wrote: > > ... I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an > egregious affront to hold the software hostage when

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Craig Ede
I can only echo my agreement with Dennis on this. . Craig Ede …snip… I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an egregious affront to hold the software hostage when missing a subscription payment. From a business point of view, it's a cash flow solution, reducing the seasonal

Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Dennis Hays
June 1, 2021 version of the FrameMaker Help Manual: https://www.framegoodies.us/FrameMaker_Help/framemaker_help.pdf Dennis Lin Sims wrote on 10/20/2021 11:01 AM: Note also that the contents of the PDF and the online help are identical. It's useful if you're not connected, but it might actually

Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Lin Sims
Note also that the contents of the PDF and the online help are identical. It's useful if you're not connected, but it might actually be faster to use the online help if you are. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 11:00 AM Lin Sims wrote: > That PDF is useful but also a real pain, because it takes forever

Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Lin Sims
That PDF is useful but also a real pain, because it takes forever to open and searching also takes a while. This is weird, because the manual for 2019 is a similar size but opens and searches quickly on the same machine. I even tried to save it as optimized without any improvement. On Wed, Oct

Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Reng Winfried
Hi, You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the Adobe website: https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Blackmon, Ramona Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:00 PM To: An email list for

Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Blackmon, Ramona
Dennis, Yes, will you please post the FrameMaker manual you have for us to use as reference? Ramona Blackmon -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Dennis Hays Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:20 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Framers]

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Dennis Hays
Way back in the dark ages, when FrameMaker was first ported to Windows, I worked with a FM staff member, Mercedes (still fondly remember her), to address bugs and issues. She sent me updates via overnight courier and these were multiple disk sets, calling for a fresh install. The reason I

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
Dear Wim, I do think Adobe reads this list, at least from time to time. So it is IMNSHO essential that we discuss, not only the day-to-day problems we are facing in our tasks with FM but also its pros and cons. I for one welcome the discussion of the attitude that Adobe seems to show regarding

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
The advantage of talking about what we don't like, is that hopefully they will fix the issues. It's not just to blow off steam. On 19-Oct-21 10:24 AM, Wim iDTP wrote: Hi all, can we go back to where this list is ment for: help eachother out with FrameMaker issues. If you don’t use FM