Hi, all.
I was wondering if there is a way to achieve something, but I am not seeing a
good (and ideally simple) way to do so.
Essentially, within a body paragraph, I want to be able to say (in the middle
of other text, of course):
-' ... Table XX, Title of Table, ... ' when the
Yeah, that was the general recommendation, but I always found it to be better
the other way (i.e., Save to PDF gave me the output I wanted) ... YMMV, I
guess.
Anyway, I take Lins comment to be more of a more observation - that FrameMaker
as a tool created the best PDF output. Now, fwiw, the
Same here with Save as PDF, except that with FM 12, it seems that I also need
to select the RGB checkbox option to make it work correctly. The CMYK
option does _not_ work properly.
I will see if I can find the test documents I sent to Adobe and post them here
later ...
Z
Robert Lauriston
I reported a similar issue a short while back (wasn't just images though - it
has problems with font colors, italic text messing up kerning and spacing,
etc.).
The response from an Adobe person here was that the Save as PDF using CMYK has
a bug (that they have been able to reproduce). No fix
The latest version of Mif2Go on the web site works for me for FrameMaker 12 ...
I had to make a few minor changes to a few files (I also only use it to
generate RTF) for my situation.
Here are the gory details - maybe they will help, but I would be surprised,
since my changes were pretty
Okay, I have done some testing - although not thoroughly yet! And, I am now
quite confused as to what is the best way to proceed. :(
1. I do not have any .ai images in the header of the master page of any
document in the book I am working on.
a. So, I am not sure what impact this
? Were printing to CMYK using the standard High Quality job options. (The
graphics are being imported by reference.)
Pretty much same for me, although I did have the View PDF ... checkbox
selected.
However, no imported graphics in the document at all with the exception of the
logo (a PNG file,
unfortunately - content is confidential.
Z
From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:48 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers
Subject: RE: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem
We, too, generally have the View
Yeah. Broke for me in 12.0.3 too - I changed to doing Print Book to the Adobe
PDF printer for this release and this seems to be working for the moment. This
time, I have not run through the various options yet to see which one fixes it
best for my PDF generation, so didn't mention this issue
? Hmm, well, the style with the space doesn't appear in the para catalog, so
I'm not sure I can apply it. I may have to go the mif route. Not my favorite
thing.
Please don't be worried about MIF ... it is actually very safe. Indeed, quite
often, many ills with FM binaries can be discovered
What you wrote is conceptually similar to what I do, except that I don't put
the backup files into a single location on my disk drive.
As I described earlier, each document's main directory has a subdir just below
where I am working, so it always puts the backup files only there. Hence the
Hmmm ... your Dropbox folder and its contained files are _still_ entirely
resident on your hard-drive too (till they are deleted in the DropBox
folder)! This is how they allow off-line work as well, when not connected
on-line on the Internet.
In essence, it just is another folder on your drive
NAS server at home for the five systems that I back up
regularly. Fully automated (Time Machine for four Mac's and ShadowProtect for
my Lenovo).
Z
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From: David Boss [mailto:bossc...@rogers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:27 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos
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From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:49 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups
That's a fireproof NAS
Sorry for the long response here, but perhaps others might benefit from what I
do.
Jeff Coatsworth wrote:
Ø One longstanding FM grumble is the program’s desire to always maintain all
its files (.book, .fm, .backup, .lck, .auto, etc.) in one location – you can
never designate another place
start working.
Z
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From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:33 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: My work-flow
, 2014 11:39 AM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ...
Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
I have turned off the backup feature since FM9. I
Adam Hollett said:
Ø One of the least awkward ways to work with FrameMaker files and backups is
probably to use revision control software like SVN or git. I keep backups
disabled in FrameMaker because I know that every commit of changes to my files
is backed up and reverting is easy.
Ø
Wow! 2.8 Giga bytes? That is a very large single file indeed. I am not
surprised that FrameMaker chokes.
If you are truly creating that large a .tps file, then doing the creation of
the PDF in multiple pieces and combing the resulting files in Acrobat may be
the only way to proceed.
John,
I am not sure what you mean by ?blocked? or ?unblocked?? Where is this
?Properties>Unblock? command capability? (I thought I knew Windows, but am now
not sure where this is available ?)
Anyway, in Windows, I can look at file properties using Windows File Manager
(right click on a file
Hi, John.
You can check the Windows Update history – will tell you when any Windows and
other Microsoft tools updates occurred. Assuming you have Windows set for
automatic updates – some will boot the machine though, so you would have seen
that event (!).
As I recall, the FrameMaker ones are
Hi, John.
This is a complete SWAG here.
Maybe it is unable to run the program “DCL.EXE” which is in the
omsyshome\Omsys\system\common\bin folder (of course, omsyshome is likely
different for you).
So, have you made sure that your search path in Windows is set to include the
-Original Message-
From: Theresa de Valence [mailto:t...@bstw.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:48 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Quoted speech
On 7/30/2014 4:49 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
Side-bar
Theresa wrote:
Lin Sims wrote:
If it were me, I'd copy one of the Australian ones into the Find
box, then copy the one you want it to be into the Replace box, then
click Change All, making sure Book is selected.
For me that doesn't quite work. There's something in Frame which decides a
Steve Rickaby wrote:
Carolyn Stallard wrote:
Omni Systems is closed. As Jeremy Griffith wished, source code will be
made available for all three software tools. Scott Prentice has very
kindly agreed to set up projects for this purpose on SourceForge.
This is all very heart-warming:
Rober Lauriston wrote:
The tighter your budget, the worse the effects of false economies.
Yes, indeed.
People who are used to getting great development tools such as Eclipse and
Git for free commonly make the false assumption that there are similar free
tools for documentation. It's part
Please pardon my off-topic (i.e., to FrameMaker) response here. But, I wouldn't
mind hearing from others on my comments below - feel free to keep it off-line
to me if you want.
Robert Lauriston wrote:
Typically, we are overhead, and startups need to focus on selling something
first.
Yes, my
Because, fundamentally, I have always believed that the *quality* of
documentation, particularly external technical stuff, is a reflection on the
quality of the *rest* of the company.
BTW, when I look at documentation for a product, it gives me an indication of
whether I want to do business
I didn't write that, Sean (techwordsm...@gmail.com) did.
Ah! Sorry about that ... e-mail editing error on my part.
Same goes for the importance of UI design.
Yes!
One of my favorite books (for web-site UI and look-and-feel):
Hi, Fred.
Hmmm ... I understand your point, but am not sure I would entirely agree with
the reasoning.
Yes, FrameMaker (and other programs like Word) do put in additional information
besides the EOP glyph itself.
But, this is a relatively commonly used/desired function - certainly in simple
, as you note,
this could cause a mess with documents whose paragraphs have already been
changed to some other paragraph format, etc.
Z
From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:18 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); fr...@daube.ch;
framers
What I like to do is save the Word file as Plain Text from Word 2013 ... this
is one of the options within Word to output file formats.
This makes every paragraph in the Word document stay as a single line in the
text file.
When I read this text file into FrameMaker, the single line converts
Indeed, very difficult to come to grips with.
Jeremy was incredibly helpful with questions I had with Mif2Go. And I admire
his effort to help people with free copies of the software when they were
unemployed.
He and his presence on this list will be truly missed. My condolences and
prayers to
Same here.
As I recall, I used FM 8, 9, 10 and 11 on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit for quite
some time on a Lenovo W-500 laptop, without any unusual behavior that I
would/could attribute to Windows Ultimate.
2 years ago, I got a new Lenovo W-530 laptop with Windows 7 Pro 64-bit. I have
FM 8
I ran FrameMaker – forget which version though, but was probably FM 8 – on a
Alienware 17” M7700 system some years ago with Windows 7 Ultimate without any
problems. Fast machine at that time for sure!
So, I would be surprised if the hardware is in any way an issue.
Are the files you are trying
.
Z
From: M Lee [mailto:marthale...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate
Hi Syed,
All the files I'm trying to open are local. What's annoying
As I recall, FrameMaker prompts you every time you start the program to either
continue in trial mode, or enter a serial number.
Does that not show up?
Z
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, May 13,
Did Adobe lose the About pathnames in commands topic somewhere along the
way?
In a pathname, folder levels are separated by a slash (/), even in Windows.
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/help.html?content=Chap17-Hypertext-Viewonly-Docs_11.html
Forward slashes still work fine in
Normally, a backslash followed by another character is treated as an escape
mechanism for the subsequent character.
So, \Dabc for example, gives you a double dagger before the characters abc,
etc. This is completely normal behavior from FrameMaker's perspective.
If you truly want a path to
appropriately.
Z
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Aeris Communications, Inc.http://www.aeris.com/
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The information in this message may
/scripting/index.html (or you can take a
quick look at the What's New at http://adobe.ly/1fHm1rP)
Fm12
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/scripting/index.html (What's New at
http://adobe.ly/1cZC0Xm)
Thanks,
Peter
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos
a
quick look at the What's New at http://adobe.ly/1fHm1rP)
Fm12
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/scripting/index.html (What's New at
http://adobe.ly/1cZC0Xm)
Thanks,
Peter
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net)
syed.hos
+2423, which actually makes it look better for my needs!
Thanks again for all your help!
Regards,
Z
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From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 7:24 PM
To: 'Alan Litchfield'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What do you all
Hi, everybody.
In my specifications, I often need to show a space character ... for a text
format sample, for example.
I usually use a fixed-width font (Consolas) for these format samples. This
helps to make the space character obvious, but isn't perfect.
Elsewhere, I have also seen the use
: What do you all recommend for showing space characters?
Hi,
The UTF-8 code for it is U+2423 and it is called Open Box (␣).
In LaTeX you can use the \textvisiblespace{} macro.
Regards
Alan
On 15/03/14 2:09 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
Hi, everybody.
In my specifications
. Learning experience for me, I guess ...
Z
From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:23 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers
Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Wouldn't it make sense
dpi would create an excessively huge file. Remember, too,
that Acrobat will typically downsample your 1800 dpi file when distilling to
PDF. It is likely to end up as 300 dpi, unless you change the settings in
Distiller.
Mike
On 3/6/2014 7:52 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos
Excellent! Less sad now. :)
Thanks,
Z
From: Peter Barraud [mailto:gapet...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:44 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Cc: Scott Turner; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: ExtendScript Scripting Guide Adobe FrameMaker ...
Hi Syed
Hi, all.
I am trying to import a graphic - with only four colors in it - (it is in EPS
format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my
Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in.
However, for some reason, the file comes into
on screen, it just blows up the thumbnail
bitmap, if there is one. If there's not, you see a gray box.
Size the box to the appropriate dimensions, save as PDF, and it should look
fine.
Or are you saying it's bad in the PDF?
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos
[mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:58 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
As you have CS3, open the EPS in Illustrator and use the File Export
change too, I suppose), so had fuzzy color
transitions along color edges (in a logo).
Z
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:46 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Having problems with importing
From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 1:05 PM
To: Lin Sims; Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Your recollection is absolutely correct regarding
Thanks, Mike.
I think that Alison was just responding to my request to understand how to save
as a PNG from Photoshop. :)
FWIW, this is just a simple 4 color corporate logo, so I am not too worried
about using PNG format. As long as it shows cleanly in the output PDF of my
documents (and
Does anyone know if a new version of this guide is available:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/scripting/framemaker_10_scripting.pdf
A search of their site did not find any version 11 or version 12 guide ...
Adobe needs to place documentation (and appropriate links) more consistently on
is quite absent from a number
of pages at www.adobe.com where it should be more prominently positioned, IMHO.)
Z
-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:40 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: ExtendScript Scripting
Scott Turner said in response to my earlier post:
Why would they keep documentation current? Adobe is the new Microsoft.
Customers/users are irrelevant.
Sad ... :(
Z
On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:40, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
Does anyone know
Agreed that LaTeX has a steep learning curve and, in this WYSIWYG world, it may
seem like a step backward to some people. However, the power and flexibility
(with highly consistent formatted output) is very appealing in some cases.
With regard to hyphenation, it sounds like the person writing
At 09:57 -0800 3/3/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
Agreed that LaTeX has a steep learning curve and, in this WYSIWYG world, it
may seem
like a step backward to some people. However, the power and flexibility
(with highly
consistent formatted output) is very
Alan Salo wrote:
My team converts our material to Word frequently for our Product Support
group to use.
Our trick is to create a pdf of the Frame document (as we normally do; our
preferred delivery). We then use Acrobat's File... Save As Other...
Microsoft Word... to create a .docx Word
Well, your experience does not generalize for everybody though ... most people
do not use old programs that don't work in 64-bit installations of Windows 7.
On a 32-bit Windows OS installation, having more than 4GB is, of course, wasted
memory. Since it would never be accessed regardless of
) Software with Windows
7 and the opening post specifically mentioned FM7 and Acrobat 7, which do have
problems with 64-bit Windows.
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
most people do not use old programs that don't work in 64
and 4GB
on 32-bit is not a bottleneck.
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
On a modern computer/laptop of the past few years, which are usually fully
64-bit capable and _usually_ have more than 4GB of main memory, installing
Helen Borrie said:
Just a point to those encouraging Carrie to install as 64-bit - there's no
way you can make a 32-bit application install or run as 64-bit.
You are correct, but ... I think the suggestions have been to install the
Windows 7 OS itself as 64-bit, not the application, on
Steve Rickaby wrote:
At some point while editing yesterday, and I'm not sure what I was doing,
*every chapter* in the book I'm working on started displaying all its text as
if someone had picked it up and randomly scattered it across the page -
complete loss of vertical leading, and
Mike, point taken. Dr. Reng said the same thing too.
Perhaps ... a different question that may be more interesting:
Do people here feel that it is necessary to check a PDF in a Reader
only environment if that PDF looks fine in Acrobat?
Because, I have yet to see one of my files pass
Since then, I have relied on two things:
DropBox is my friend ;-)
Yes, indeed! I do daily backups stored on multiple disks - both here and at
home - for safety.
I use DropBox, but not for these backup files ... yet ...
Z
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Subject: RE: OT
Maxwell Hoffman said:
For another viewpoint, Adobe was just named in the top 100 companies to work
for by Fortune. Our 2013 revenues considerably exceeded projections. So
somebody out there is happy with Adobe. ;-)
Perhaps. :) But, at what cost?
The unhappy ones are probably the small
Rick Quatro said:
Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this
discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that
FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete
documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as
ac.
Best regards
Winfried
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lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On
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aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>)
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To
Maxwell Hoffman said:
> For another viewpoint, Adobe was just named in the top 100 companies to work
> for by Fortune. Our 2013 revenues considerably exceeded projections. So
> "somebody" out there is happy with Adobe. ;-)
Perhaps. :) But, at what cost?
The unhappy ones are probably the small
Rick Quatro said:
> Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this
> discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that
> FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete
> documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as
> Also, at $400, I doubt if FrameMaker XML Author is going to be able to
> compete with other XML editors out there. The idea is fantastic, but the cost
> needs to be around $100-150 a seat.
A list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_XML_editors. Many licensed
and free versions listed
Hi, Tammy and Fred.
I know about the dire warnings on installing both Reader and Acrobat on the
same system, but I have done this without any issues for more than five or six
years now (since Reader 7 onwards, as I recall).
I always install Reader first, and then Acrobat afterwards - so that
I suspect that it is the Reader uninstall process that has the potential to
cause problems with duplicated files, or registry entries and the like.
I now leave Reader and Acrobat both installed (in the order that I mentioned in
the other response) and there are no issues - Acrobat is used as
I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is
from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems
apparently, etc.
The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of
always installing Acrobat after Reader ...
Hi, Tammy and Fred.
I know about the dire warnings on installing both Reader and Acrobat on the
same system, but I have done this without any issues for more than five or six
years now (since Reader 7 onwards, as I recall).
I always install Reader first, and then Acrobat afterwards - so that
I suspect that it is the Reader uninstall process that has the potential to
cause problems with duplicated files, or registry entries and the like.
I now leave Reader and Acrobat both installed (in the order that I mentioned in
the other response) and there are no issues - Acrobat is used as
I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is
from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems
apparently, etc.
The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of
always installing Acrobat after Reader ...
I think you need the Italic version of that font - you just have the Regular
and Bold font files apparently. With old Adobe Type 1 fonts, for example, there
were multiple separate files for each font set that needed to be available.
For example, my old Helvetica, Helvetica-Black and
AOLIVE.TTF
10/11/1992 11:00 PM53,920 AOLIVEB.TTF
10/11/1992 11:00 PM54,836 AOLIVEI.TTF
3 File(s)160,612 bytes
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:32 PM
To: 'Tammy Van Boening'; 'FrameUsers List'
Subject
I think you need the Italic version of that font - you just have the Regular
and Bold font files apparently. With old Adobe Type 1 fonts, for example, there
were multiple separate files for each "font" set that needed to be available.
For example, my old "Helvetica", "Helvetica-Black" and
PM51,856 AOLIVE.TTF
10/11/1992 11:00 PM53,920 AOLIVEB.TTF
10/11/1992 11:00 PM54,836 AOLIVEI.TTF
3 File(s)160,612 bytes
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:32 PM
To: 'Tammy Van Boening'; 'FrameUsers List'
Subj
Steve Rickaby said:
As an avid use and evangeliser of FrameMaker since version 3,
Same here ... I began using FrameMaker in 1988 on a Sun 3/50 in SunOS.
Steve Rickaby said:
I think some decisions have been made that Adobe could come to regret.
Unfortunately, I agree.
Z
Rick Quatro said:
The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of
each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects your
search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should remove
them.
I have seen exactly this too. But,
Steve Rickaby said:
> As an avid use and evangeliser of FrameMaker since version 3,
Same here ... I began using FrameMaker in 1988 on a Sun 3/50 in SunOS.
Steve Rickaby said:
> I think some decisions have been made that Adobe could come to regret.
Unfortunately, I agree.
Z
Rick Quatro said:
> The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of
> each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects your
> search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should remove
> them.
I have seen exactly this too.
, to me, the cost for people currently on version 11 does not seem to be
lower to switch - again, please correct me if my math is wrong here.
Z
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
[mailto:framers-bounces at
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not
make sense f
16, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.
[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on
subscription, I got some
Robert Lauriston said:
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license
is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is
perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.
I
) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new work. The
price and upgrade costs of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve - are
infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)
Z
-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
, for you, an earlier version, I guess.
Z
I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker.
It has been going downhill from version 9 on.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
Yeah, I would love to continue
I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the
software I've bought I've never upgraded.
I guess you and I have a different philosophy about these, I suppose. :) I
prefer to stay up on software upgrades when I am using something extensively.
The thinking is to get
y, January 16, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.
[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on
subscription,
Robert Lauriston said:
> If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license
> is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
> If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is
> perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.
> I
) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new work. The
price and upgrade "costs" of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve - are
infinitely better for _my_ needs! :)
Z
-Original Message-----
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 20
, for you, an earlier version, I guess.
Z
> I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker.
> It has been going downhill from version 9 on.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
> Yeah, I would love to contin
> I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the
> software I've bought I've never upgraded.
I guess you and I have a different philosophy about these, I suppose. :) I
prefer to stay up on software upgrades when I am using something extensively.
The thinking is to get
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