Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
You can pay all at once or monthly, but FrameMaker subscriptions are annual. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:50 AM Peter Gold wrote: > > ... To quote a spokes-emu, "Only subscribe for when you need." ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Peter Gold
Business models evolve. One reason to charge via ongoing subscriptions is to finance the increasing ongoing development cost of the incremental releases needed to keep current with industry's advances. Some of Adobe's Creative Cloud subscription products have been offered on intermittent

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
For software companies, one big plus for a subscription model is that they only need to support the latest version. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:20 AM Dennis Hays wrote: > > ... I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an > egregious affront to hold the software hostage when

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Craig Ede
I can only echo my agreement with Dennis on this. . Craig Ede …snip… I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an egregious affront to hold the software hostage when missing a subscription payment. From a business point of view, it's a cash flow solution, reducing the seasonal

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Dennis Hays
Way back in the dark ages, when FrameMaker was first ported to Windows, I worked with a FM staff member, Mercedes (still fondly remember her), to address bugs and issues. She sent me updates via overnight courier and these were multiple disk sets, calling for a fresh install. The reason I

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
Dear Wim, I do think Adobe reads this list, at least from time to time. So it is IMNSHO essential that we discuss, not only the day-to-day problems we are facing in our tasks with FM but also its pros and cons. I for one welcome the discussion of the attitude that Adobe seems to show regarding

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-20 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
The advantage of talking about what we don't like, is that hopefully they will fix the issues. It's not just to blow off steam. On 19-Oct-21 10:24 AM, Wim iDTP wrote: Hi all, can we go back to where this list is ment for: help eachother out with FrameMaker issues. If you don’t use FM

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-19 Thread Art Campbell
Since I've only used FrameMaker and this list and others list it since the FrameMaker 2 release sometime back in the 1990s, I may not be as qualified as you in deciding what is acceptable list content... But I have a strong feeling that FrameMaker's usability, both for a given task and usability

Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

2021-10-19 Thread Wim iDTP
Hi all, can we go back to where this list is ment for: help eachother out with FrameMaker issues. If you don’t use FM (anymore) or don’t like FM (anymore) or don’t want to pay for FM (anymore) - that’s up to you. This list is for FrameMaker users. Let’s stick to that. Thanks! Vriendelijke