Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
ay, November 30, 2016 01:22 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain <syed.hos...@aeris.net>; FrameMaker Postings <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge? Hello Z... Thanks for your warning about the Control-key functions. I assume though that it is still OK to ac

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Robert Lauriston
You should set tab stops only in Paragraph Designer, right. FrameMaker 7.2 is in most ways as good as the latest release and in some ways better. If you want to use any special characters, you'll want to consult the FM7 "FrameMaker Character Sets" document:

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Hello Z... Thanks for your warning about the Control-key functions. I assume though that it is still OK to access the paragraph and character designers with the Ctrl+D and the Ctrl+M keystrokes. Is that true or should I rely on the menus to open those designers? Dennis...

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Craig Ede
I think 7.2 is fine within itself. The UTF8 backsaving issue to 7.0 MIF starts with FM7.2 and affects all the newer versions (I believe) so that shouldn't cause you problems. (All this from my admittedly flawed memory. Others may want to correct this.) Craig

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:20 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge? The differences between

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Craig Ede
by that. Craig From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:20 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Who

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Robert Lauriston
The differences between unstructured FrameMaker 6 and 7.2 were fairly minor. The main thing I recall was the addition of multi-level undo. The big changes were in FM8, which switched from proprietary character sets to Unicode, and FM9, which layered on the nonstandard UI (though as you drill down

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
<framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge? At 22:33 + 29/11/16, Steve Rickaby wrote: >This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they >appear to be. Learn about spoofing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing I don't know who o

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Robert Lauriston said: > First rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format > your text. > Second rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format > your text. Heartily, HEARTILY agreed! In particular, the use of Control-key functions to add character

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Caroline Tabach
To: FrameMaker Posting Subject: [Framers] Who's in charge? FrameMaker 7.2, Unstructured Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit Target output: PDF only As a relatively new beginner, I hate to bother experts with this question, but where can I find concise information about the topics below. I have the original

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Craig Ede
..@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge? ... Even the sample files Adobe distributes have a bunch of junk in them. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visi

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 22:33 + 29/11/16, I wrote: >As others have said, don't use the formatting bar. It is heap bad juju, and >only there to stop folks who are used to work feeling uncomfortable ;-) Dang: fniger truoble. What I mean to write was '... and only there to stop folks who are used to Word feeling

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 22:33 + 29/11/16, Steve Rickaby wrote: >This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear >to be. Learn about spoofing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing I don't know who or what added this, but I am who I say I am. Mind you, these days I can't be entirely

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
Dennis - other have answered most of these points. I sympathize: FrameMaker is a big learning curve, but you likely won't regret it. My 10c below... At 08:46 -0800 29/11/16, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote: >As a relatively new beginner, I hate to bother experts with this question, but >where can I

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Here's a squeaky-clean template you could look at, might help you understand how things are supposed to work. I cleared out all the cruft from the master and reference pages. Even the sample files Adobe distributes have a bunch of junk in them. http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip If files

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Craig Ede
You want to use defined formats for everything in FrameMaker and not format as you go. Starting with anything that has cruft in it is likely to give you remnants of formats that lie around on master pages, the various catalogs, etc. My take is that all beginning uses should design a template

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Craig Ede
; on behalf of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com <john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:36 PM To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge? >> First rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format >>

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
I probably wouldn't create a Blue format. I'd name a format after a particular function and the color would be one of the attributes (e.g. the Link tag below). A template I created at one job in the FM7 era had only these character tags: - Default: Reverts the selected text to the default

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread john . x . posada
atting. -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:31 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge? First rule of FrameM

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
First rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format your text. Second rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format your text. On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote: > If I want to change the color

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Writer
checking out. Nadine From: Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography> To: dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com Cc: FrameMaker Posting <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge? Hi, Dennis: Be prepared to get a fi

Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Dennis: Be prepared to get a fire-hose full of replies. The list members are generous indeed. No question is too small to ask, so don't be reluctant. Once you get into your own "zone" of FrameMaker skill, you'll be answering stuff for others. I won't go into much detail. Others probably

[Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
FrameMaker 7.2, Unstructured Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit Target output: PDF only As a relatively new beginner, I hate to bother experts with this question, but where can I find concise information about the topics below. I have the original Adobe 7.0 book as well as their Classroom In A