RE: (Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-10 Thread Callie Bertsche
*Slightly off-topic* For the record, although I agree that FM is far and away the more professional and versatile tool for extended publications, I have been won over to MS Word's ribbon. I also used to think of it as unintuitive - but after watching the video below and studying their UI design,

Re: (Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-10 Thread quills
For the effort they put into redesigning their user interface, I would have massively preferred that they hold off on the eye candy and addressed more fundamental problems with the application. However, as a user, what I prefer isn't what Microsoft normally listens to. All of that work could

Re: (Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-10 Thread quills
I think it's also telling that corporations don't normally train you on New GUI in an app. IT tosses it over the fence and the user has to cope on their own without much support at all, and little documentation. This video isn't useful to most users. It isn't available to most users. I think

(Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-10 Thread qui...@airmail.net
I think it's also telling that corporations don't normally train you on "New" GUI in an app. IT tosses it over the fence and the user has to cope on their own without much support at all, and little documentation. This video isn't useful to most users. It isn't available to most users. I think

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Saunders, Ian
Hi, I am a fanatical Frame user but it looks as though I am going to have to convert my docs to Word (long story, but half my company's docs are written using Word). I know this question comes up time after time, but most responses refer to old reviews and comparisons (though probably the only

RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Martinek, Carla
You need to come up with a matrix of YOUR specific documentation requirements, and work from that, as every comparison I'm aware of is woefully out of date. You may want to start here for a list to work from: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/comparison.html Because everyone else

RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Writer
I have to agree with Carla on this point. Although, I'm tempted to amend her statement to say it would take AT LEAST 25-30% longer. I haven't used the most recent version of Word either, but I'm sure if things had improved, I'd have heard about it through the grapevine. Nadine --- On Thu,

Re: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread quills
I have used Word 2007. They tried to fix what wasn't broken. And no, they didn't fix either the numbering system or multi-file operations. It's still oriented toward smaller documents with less complexity. I also would avoid it for any XML work. My preference, but their past history of munging

Re: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread quills
Another thought. You can use Notepad to program in various languages, but why would you want to? You are missing so many effective and time-saving tools. Are you producing PDF files? If so, using Word removes a boat load of time-saving automatic tools for indexing, hypertext linking, and TOC

RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Kelly McDaniel
As the writer states in this post: It all comes down to this: FrameMaker is a very mature and solid product that can handle structural complexity very well. http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/08/which-text-editor

RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Jon Harvey
I don't use the latest version of Word but Word 2003 had a pretty good, and reliable autonumbering method. Unfortunately, you had to know how to fumble through the poorly designed interface and even more poorly documented method for setting it up. I used it to successfully create a numbering

RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Spectrum Writing
I also agree. I have a client, that despite everything I have ever demonstrated, tabulated, kept track of, etc. is insistent that I do all original development in Word and yep, I have shown/demonstrated unequivocally that things can take up to 30% longer to accomplish. Many, many times, I fix A

Re: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread quills
Your millage may vary. I found that I could get it to work, but it would blow up, either on me at a future date, or on someone else when they opened the file, and I would have to go and fix it. Scott Jon Harvey wrote: I don't use the latest version of Word but Word 2003 had a pretty good,

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Saunders, Ian
Hi, I am a fanatical Frame user but it looks as though I am going to have to convert my docs to Word (long story, but half my company's docs are written using Word). I know this question comes up time after time, but most responses refer to old reviews and comparisons (though probably the only

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Martinek, Carla
You need to come up with a matrix of YOUR specific documentation requirements, and work from that, as every comparison I'm aware of is woefully out of date. You may want to start here for a list to work from: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/comparison.html "Because everyone

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Writer
I have to agree with Carla on this point. Although, I'm tempted to amend her statement to say "it would take AT LEAST 25-30% longer". I haven't used the most recent version of Word either, but I'm sure if things had improved, I'd have heard about it through the grapevine. Nadine --- On Thu,

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread qui...@airmail.net
I have used Word 2007. They tried to fix what wasn't broken. And no, they didn't fix either the numbering system or multi-file operations. It's still oriented toward smaller documents with less complexity. I also would avoid it for any XML work. My preference, but their past history of munging

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread qui...@airmail.net
Another thought. You can use Notepad to program in various languages, but why would you want to? You are missing so many effective and time-saving tools. Are you producing PDF files? If so, using Word removes a boat load of time-saving automatic tools for indexing, hypertext linking, and TOC

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Kelly McDaniel
As the writer states in this post: "It all comes down to this: FrameMaker is a very mature and solid product that can handle structural complexity very well." http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/08/which-text-editor

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Jon Harvey
I don't use the latest version of Word but Word 2003 had a pretty good, and reliable autonumbering method. Unfortunately, you had to know how to fumble through the poorly designed interface and even more poorly documented method for setting it up. I used it to successfully create a numbering

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread Spectrum Writing
I also agree. I have a client, that despite everything I have ever demonstrated, tabulated, kept track of, etc. is insistent that I do all original development in Word and yep, I have shown/demonstrated unequivocally that things can take up to 30% longer to accomplish. Many, many times, I fix "A"

Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

2009-04-09 Thread qui...@airmail.net
Your millage may vary. I found that I could get it to work, but it would blow up, either on me at a future date, or on someone else when they opened the file, and I would have to go and fix it. Scott Jon Harvey wrote: > I don't use the latest version of Word but Word 2003 had a pretty good, >