Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-06 Thread Keith Arnett
This is a bit off-topic, but for what it is worth, I just finished my own evaluation of OpenOffice.org Writer. While it has a number of FrameMaker-like features, it is in no position to pose as serious competition to FrameMaker - unless you: - Can't afford FrameMaker (OOo Writer is

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-06 Thread Keith Arnett
This is a bit off-topic, but for what it is worth, I just finished my own evaluation of OpenOffice.org Writer. While it has a number of FrameMaker-like features, it is in no position to pose as serious competition to FrameMaker - unless you: - Can't afford FrameMaker (OOo Writer is

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-05 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Becky, I am as bullish on FrameMaker as anyone, but it is not inaccurate to say the FrameMaker is starting to show its age. As for lack of recent development, there have been few noteworthy improvements in unstructured FrameMaker since version 6 improved the book window. As Frame users, we

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-05 Thread Art Campbell
Rick, The statement was made in 2004... not that the timing changes things a lot, but FM is looking more viable from 2007 than it did back then. I think. ;- ) Art On 2/5/07, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Becky, I am as bullish on FrameMaker as anyone, but it is not inaccurate to say

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-05 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Becky, I am as bullish on FrameMaker as anyone, but it is not inaccurate to say the FrameMaker "is starting to show its age." As for "lack of recent development," there have been few noteworthy improvements in unstructured FrameMaker since version 6 improved the book window. As Frame users,

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-05 Thread Art Campbell
Rick, The statement was made in 2004... not that the timing changes things a lot, but FM is looking more viable from 2007 than it did back then. I think. ;- ) Art On 2/5/07, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Becky, > > I am as bullish on FrameMaker as anyone, but it is not inaccurate to say the >

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-05 Thread Peter Gold
IMO, the real deal maker/breakers go something like: * What do you need to do now, and perhaps going forward, that FrameMaker can't do now, that some other product does? * What do you need to do now, and perhaps going forward, that FrameMaker can do now, but some other product does better? * Is

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-02 Thread Alan Litchfield
Rebecca, On 2/02/2007, at 12:39 AM, Rebecca.L.Frasure at aphis.usda.gov wrote: > Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me) > I am always arguing with my officemates that > Framemaker is the best software for what we do, > but I need some > knowlegable words from my

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 06:39 -0500 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me), an article from the January STC Magazine Intercom called Old Software. They underlined a paragraph which says, also absent from this discussion is Adobe Framemaker, which is

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Yves Barbion
I wouldn't call this lack of recent development: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/framemaker_ap/ Definitely something worth considering if you plan on going structured. -- Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor On

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Very good reference indeed. IMHO, the main drawback of OOo vs M$Word is that it tries too much to imitate the latter. I use OOo a lot, but i find it much harder to work with than FrameMaker. It seems to default to arbitrary formatting rather than paragraph and character formatting tags, which it

RE: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Dov Isaacs
: Replacing Framemaker Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me), an article from the January STC Magazine Intercom called Old Software. They underlined a paragraph which says, also absent from this discussion is Adobe Framemaker, which is starting to show its age

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Malin
I usually ignore what the STC says. What part of usda is aphis? My mom used to work for arserrc. JOe Yves Barbion wrote: I wouldn't call this lack of recent development: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/framemaker_ap/ Definitely something worth considering if you plan on going structured.

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Art Campbell
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:39 AM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Replacing Framemaker Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me), an article from the January STC Magazine Intercom called Old Software. They underlined a paragraph

RE: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote: One detail, please? Here, or still in exile in India? Why does that matter? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Stuart Rogers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know nothing about OpenOffice.org Writer. Does anyone else? It's very much like MS Word, in the way it is cumbersome and unintuitive and at least a little bit unstable. I have used it to edit a document created by someone else. The first thing that went wrong

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Bill Briggs
At 12:43 PM + 2/1/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: I sometimes think I'd dearly like to see a head-to-head challenge between a competent FrameMaker user and a competent Word user (or 'FrameMaker 'alternative of your choice' user) to perform a series of standard operations we take for granted in

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Daniel Emory
The publication by the STC of this article demonstrates the declining relevance of that organization. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to

Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Art Campbell
this FM mailing list, which published an article in its online magazine titled Replacing FrameMaker with OpenOffice.org Writer (http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/magazine/technical/replaceframewithwriter.html) * The author of that article, Bruce Byfield, describes himself: I am a computer

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 06:39 -0500 1/2/07, Rebecca.L.Frasure at aphis.usda.gov wrote: >Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me), an article >from the January STC Magazine Intercom called "Old Software." They underlined >a paragraph which says, "also absent from this discussion is Adobe

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Yves Barbion
I wouldn't call this "lack of recent development": http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/framemaker_ap/ Definitely something worth considering if you plan on going structured. -- Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Very good reference indeed. IMHO, the main drawback of OOo vs M$Word is that it tries too much to imitate the latter. I use OOo a lot, but i find it much harder to work with than FrameMaker. It seems to default to arbitrary formatting rather than paragraph and character formatting tags, which it

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Yves Barbion
And this might help as well: http://www.adobe.com/products/special/crossproduct/tech_communication/faq.html#item-1-2 -- Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor On 2/1/07, Yves Barbion wrote: > > I wouldn't call this

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
Rebecca >Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me), an article >from the January STC Magazine Intercom called "Old Software." They underlined >a paragraph which says, "also absent from this discussion is Adobe Framemaker, >which is starting to show its age and lack of

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Dov Isaacs
o: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Replacing Framemaker > > Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out > me), an article from the January STC Magazine Intercom called > "Old Software." They underlined a paragraph which says, "also > absent fr

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Malin
I usually ignore what the STC says. What part of usda is aphis? My mom used to work for arserrc. JOe Yves Barbion wrote: > I wouldn't call this "lack of recent development": > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/framemaker_ap/ > > Definitely something worth considering if you plan on going

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Art Campbell
> -Original Message- > > From: Rebecca.L.Frasure at aphis.usda.gov > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:39 AM > > To: framers at frameusers.com > > Subject: Replacing Framemaker > > > > Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out > > m

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote: > One detail, please? > Here, or still in exile in India? Why does that matter? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Stuart Rogers
Rebecca.L.Frasure at aphis.usda.gov wrote: I know nothing > about OpenOffice.org Writer. Does anyone else? It's very much like MS Word, in the way it is cumbersome and unintuitive and at least a little bit unstable. I have used it to edit a document created by someone else. The first thing

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Stuart Rogers
Steve Rickaby wrote: > I sometimes think I'd dearly like to see a head-to-head challenge > between a competent FrameMaker user and a competent Word user (or > 'FrameMaker 'alternative of your choice' user) to perform a series of > standard operations we take for granted in FrameMaker. Such a test

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Bill Briggs
At 12:43 PM + 2/1/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: >I sometimes think I'd dearly like to see a head-to-head challenge between a >competent FrameMaker user and a competent Word user (or 'FrameMaker >'alternative of your choice' user) to perform a series of standard operations >we take for granted in

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Daniel Emory
The publication by the STC of this article demonstrates the declining relevance of that organization.

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread Art Campbell
ame people that publish this FM mailing list, which published an article in its online magazine titled "Replacing FrameMaker with OpenOffice.org Writer" (http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/magazine/technical/replaceframewithwriter.html) * The author of that article, Bruce Byfield, describes himse

Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-01 Thread rebecca.l.fras...@aphis.usda.gov
Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me), an article from the January STC Magazine Intercom called "Old Software." They underlined a paragraph which says, "also absent from this discussion is Adobe Framemaker, which is starting to show its age and lack of recent