At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote:
These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know,
retail channel?
Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also
training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software.
Adobe introduces subscription-based licensing. So many of its users find it
an outstanding value that over time, most of them license software by
subscription. Adobe is rewarded for being innovative and Adobe serves its
customers better. Everybody wins.
Adobe ends its relationship with resellers
Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as
ever. I'd really like to get my hands on a copy of FrameMaker 8.
That whole model seems outdated to me. I'd like to switch to Confluence.
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote:
Time for a
One benefit of the subscription model is that a company can focus 100%
on the current and next releases. That should significantly reduce
support costs, eliminates the cost of providing and distributing patch
releases for old versions, and reduces various other costs due to
reduced complexity.
On
That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially
true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for
its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more
rational and obedient, Adobe would be better off.
You're side of the mark about
Hi Jeremy
Did you consider expanding LaTeX?
A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong
unstructured FM alternative.
It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not
easy, but good.
Cheers
Rebecca
Jeremy H. Griffith
Craig Ede wrote:
Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean
that
you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some
changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your
ability of
use the software in that
Another option is to expand OpenOffice,
which is also pretty good, but need more single-sourcing
capabilities.
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 13-May-13 1:38 AM, rebecca officer wrote:
Hi Jeremy
At the risk of sounding all Pollyanna, perhaps what Adobe is doing is actually
good for the tech writing community. Perhaps it WILL inspire people to create
other choices/other competition.
At least it is prompting the conversation.
Nadine
--- On Sat, 5/11/13, Jeremy H. Griffith
2013-05-13-01T13:00Z
There's that death knell again . . ..
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38
To:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:38:05 +1200, rebecca officer
rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz wrote:
Did you consider expanding LaTeX?
Not really. There's a well-established community
around it, and lacking any familiarity with it, we
didn't think we could do it much good.
A fully-featured reliable
I have always had the best luck with the Single range indicator...
-MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.798.7596 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com
On May 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Gay Alson
2013-05-13-01T15:15Z
I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et
al.
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent:
Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor
where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles
would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full
copy of FrameMaker could be used as print engine. You would set up a
I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that
decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd
like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to
fruition. :)
However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years
On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:19 -0700, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote:
I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et
al.
I've had several off-list replies as well. I think
you hit a nerve there, Nadine!
So I've put the five-year-old draft spec for Omni 2
on the Mif2Go Web
2013-05-13-01T20:20Z
Nadine -
Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range. On the
other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it bursting
radius.
Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see
Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on
capitalism vs free market.
*figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative
grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery*
Nadine
Nadine -
Nadine, I certainly
Hi, all-
Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to
install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know
it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have
Parallels running. However when I install, it
I am running Frame on a MacBook Pro, Win XP in VMware Fusion. I used
to have Parallels as my emulator, but encountered the same issue you
are experiencing.
Tori Muir
tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com
On 5/13/13 1:46 PM, Kristy
I run FM10 on a MBP with VirtualBox and Windows 7 installed on Bootcamp.
I boot into Windows using VB. Runs fine.
Of course, I think 10 has different registration procedures to 11.
Alan
On 14/05/13 8:46 AM, Kristy Nolan wrote:
Hi, all-
Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If
Hi Kristy,
Windows XP sounds really old.
I run Parallels with Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro and I loaded Frame 10 without
problems.
I would start with an upgrade to Windows 7.
Daniel
On May 13, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote:
Hi, all-
Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro?
What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox from
within the Windows virtual machine - I think Adobe is using 7Zip to compress
the files, so under WinXP you'll need to install that to unzip it (IIRC).
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
MB Air, vmware Fusion, Win7, runs like a champ!
-MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.798.7596 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com
On May 13, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Daniel Doornbos
The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_
to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose
of business is to _make_money_.
I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this
link:
Yes! It is one of the reasons I am now looking at them as a possible tool for
my work - will be starting an evaluation in a few weeks.
However, at first blush, the cost (both to change and to maintain) appears to
be very high and thus one negative so far.
Z
-Original Message-
From:
Hi Steve,
These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You
know, retail channel?
Thanks
Alan
On 12/05/13 11:09 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote:
>
>> Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the
>>
At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote:
>These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know,
>retail channel?
Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also
training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software.
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> Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean
> that
> you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some
> changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your
> ability of
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At the risk of sounding all Pollyanna, perhaps what Adobe is doing is actually
good for the tech writing community. Perhaps it WILL inspire people to create
other choices/other competition.
At least it is prompting the conversation.
Nadine
--- On Sat, 5/11/13, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
>
2013-05-13-01T13:00Z
There's that death knell again?.?.?..
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38
To: framers at
On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:38:05 +1200, "rebecca officer"
> wrote:
>Did you consider expanding LaTeX?
Not really. There's a well-established community
around it, and lacking any familiarity with it, we
didn't think we could do it much good.
>A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX
PM, Gay Alson wrote:
> l glitch where the last page would revert to portrait but if I put
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I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et
al.
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent:
Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor
where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles
would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full
copy of FrameMaker could be used as "print engine". You would set up a
I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that
decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd
like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to
fruition. :)
However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years
On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:19 -0700, wrote:
>I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et
>al.
I've had several off-list replies as well. I think
you hit a nerve there, Nadine!
So I've put the five-year-old draft spec for Omni 2
on the Mif2Go Web site:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:23:49 -0700, Lea Rush wrote:
>I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that
>decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd
>like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to
>fruition. :)
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>?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.?
I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market?
*steps back out of Dave's swing range*
=D
Nadine
2013-05-13-01T20:20Z
Nadine -
Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range. On the
other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it "bursting
radius."
Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see
Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on
"capitalism vs free market".
*figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative
grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery*
Nadine
?
> Nadine -
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> Nadine, I
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I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this
link:
Yes! It is one of the reasons I am now looking at them as a possible tool for
my work - will be starting an evaluation in a few weeks.
However, at first blush, the cost (both to change and to maintain) appears to
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Z
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Craig,
How do you download the help as a PDF?
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Isn't that what MadCap tried to do?
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I don't think MS's new can't-call-it-Metro UI has gotten any traction
in corporate environments. If they don't want Windows 8 to be a bigger
flop than Vista, compatibility is essential.
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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Harro de Jong
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> The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may
> have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the
> upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your
>
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote:
> ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ...
Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new
version is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell
your rights:
"You may ...
Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides,
not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come
up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002.
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> know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial
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