RE: Frame Maker 9 and some questions about its indexing and pagelimits

2009-08-05 Thread Phil Heron
Someone took my keyboard once while I was at lunch. When I tracked it down the offender's explanation was It didn't look like anyone was using it. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of davec2

Frame Maker 9 and some questions about its indexing and pagelimits

2009-08-05 Thread Phil Heron
Someone took my keyboard once while I was at lunch. When I tracked it down the offender's explanation was "It didn't look like anyone was using it". Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]

RE: Chinese Characters in User Variables

2009-05-21 Thread Phil Heron
it using the Languages tab. This setting only applies to non-Unicode programs such as FrameMaker V7.2 and earlier. Hope this helps, Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nate Stelton Sent: 20

Chinese Characters in User Variables

2009-05-21 Thread Phil Heron
pear in the list you will need to add it using the "Languages" tab. This setting only applies to non-Unicode programs such as FrameMaker V7.2 and earlier. Hope this helps, Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...

RE: Omega symbol becomes W in pdf

2009-03-18 Thread Phil Heron
and NOT the Symbol Std font. Symbol Std is a private font installed by FrameMaker. HTH Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: 17 March 2009 21:46 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject

Omega symbol becomes W in pdf

2009-03-18 Thread Phil Heron
quot; font and NOT the "Symbol Std" font. Symbol Std is a private font installed by FrameMaker. HTH Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: 17 March 20

RE: Easiest way to create a new book from a template (unstructuredFM8)

2009-01-12 Thread Phil Heron
Peter, Try the Frame Template Packs. Although designed for Frame 5.5, they can be used just as well with more up-to-date versions of FrameMaker. You can get the template packs from: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/ Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers

Easiest way to create a new book from a template (unstructuredFM8)

2009-01-12 Thread Phil Heron
Peter, Try the Frame Template Packs. Although designed for Frame 5.5, they can be used just as well with more up-to-date versions of FrameMaker. You can get the template packs from: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/ Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers

RE: party invitation

2008-12-02 Thread Phil Heron
://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/ Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: 02 December 2008 17:20 To: Framer's List Subject: party invitation Hi all: FM 8.0 -- Windows XP. I am making our holiday party

party invitation

2008-12-02 Thread Phil Heron
rom: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/ Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: 02 December 2008 17:20 To: Framer's List Subject: party invitation Hi al

RE: An error occurred while printing.

2008-10-28 Thread Phil Heron
Nina, Does the folder name have a punctuation character in it by any chance? There's an ancient known problem with FrameMaker in that it can't print to a folder with a punctuation character. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

"An error occurred while printing."

2008-10-28 Thread Phil Heron
Nina, Does the folder name have a punctuation character in it by any chance? There's an ancient known problem with FrameMaker in that it can't print to a folder with a punctuation character. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers

RE: How to prevent Framemaker changing the Link

2008-09-24 Thread Phil Heron
:/Schadstoffliteratur/Dioxine/Attempt to establish benchmarks for Dioxins.pdf Hope this helps, Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Böhme Sent: 23 September 2008 11:59 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

How to prevent Framemaker changing the Link

2008-09-24 Thread Phil Heron
uot;W:/Schadstoffliteratur/Dioxine/Attempt to establish benchmarks for Dioxins.pdf" Hope this helps, Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael B?hme Sent: 23 Sept

RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Phil Heron
Which version of FrameMaker are you using? Several new icons were added to the formatting toolbar for V7.2, including the one for font size. If you have a previous version of FrameMaker chances are you won't have the new icon. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA -Original Message- From

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Phil Heron
Which version of FrameMaker are you using? Several new icons were added to the formatting toolbar for V7.2, including the one for font size. If you have a previous version of FrameMaker chances are you won't have the new icon. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA -Original Message- From

RE: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

2008-05-02 Thread Phil Heron
on the HTML Options dialog (Utilities HTML Setup - Options button). I'm not sure what format Word uses or whether you have a choice of formats. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Marnell Sent

Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

2008-05-02 Thread Phil Heron
one to use on the HTML Options dialog (Utilities > HTML Setup - Options button). I'm not sure what format Word uses or whether you have a choice of formats. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:fr

RE: Japanese FrameMaker

2008-04-23 Thread Phil Heron
programs to Japanese. Ha - I've just realised that Frame 8 is, unlike previous versions, a Unicode application. In this case, take a look at the Asian Language Features Information on the FrameMaker Preferences dialog to see which Japanese features are available. Phil Heron -Original Message

Japanese FrameMaker

2008-04-23 Thread Phil Heron
icode programs" to Japanese. Ha - I've just realised that Frame 8 is, unlike previous versions, a Unicode application. In this case, take a look at the Asian Language Features Information on the FrameMaker Preferences dialog to see which Japanese features are available. Phil Heron ---

RE: Frame 7.2 and Vista

2008-02-29 Thread Phil Heron
. Hope this helps, Phil Heron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2008 16:07 To: Phil Heron Subject: Re: Frame 7.2 and Vista Hi Phil, I'm interested in your experience with Frame 7.2 and Vista. I was thinking about getting

Frame 7.2 and Vista

2008-02-29 Thread Phil Heron
dows Explorer. Hope this helps, Phil Heron From: ETudsbery at cpaglobal.com [mailto:etudsb...@cpaglobal.com] Sent: 28 February 2008 16:07 To: Phil Heron Subject: Re: Frame 7.2 and Vista Hi Phil, I'm interested in your experience with Frame 7.2 and Vista. I

RE: FrameMaker 8 Online Manuals

2007-10-12 Thread Phil Heron
Try here: http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/ There are two structure manuals for V8 - a Developer's Guide and a Developer's Reference. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: 12 October 2007

FrameMaker 8 Online Manuals

2007-10-12 Thread Phil Heron
Try here: http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/ There are two structure manuals for V8 - a Developer's Guide and a Developer's Reference. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron

RE: Strange behavior when opening frop down lists in dialog boxes

2007-10-10 Thread Phil Heron
Leah, I believe this is known behaviour when using the Windows Classic theme in XP. Could this be your situation? Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leah Smaller Sent: 10 October 2007 07:52 To: Frame Users Subject: Strange

Strange behavior when opening frop down lists in dialog boxes

2007-10-10 Thread Phil Heron
Leah, I believe this is known behaviour when using the "Windows Classic" theme in XP. Could this be your situation? Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com at lists.fram

RE: and yet another dumb question

2007-09-19 Thread Phil Heron
Try the FrameMaker Developer Center at: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/ There's a link on that page to the documentation - Developer Resources - Manuals. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Former Sent: 18 September

RE: and yet another dumb question

2007-09-19 Thread Phil Heron
That's strange - I'm sure that last time I looked at that page it was the V8 manual. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: Gail Former [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2007 13:03 To: Phil Heron Cc: framers Subject: Re: and yet another dumb question Thanks for the link

RE: and yet another dumb question

2007-09-19 Thread Phil Heron
Aha - I've found it: http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/ There are two structure manuals for V8 - a Developer's Guide and a Developer's Reference. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Heron Sent: 19

and yet another dumb question

2007-09-19 Thread Phil Heron
Try the FrameMaker Developer Center at: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/ There's a link on that page to the documentation - "Developer Resources - Manuals". Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:frame

and yet another dumb question

2007-09-19 Thread Phil Heron
That's strange - I'm sure that last time I looked at that page it was the V8 manual. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: Gail Former [mailto:gail.for...@accenttech.com] Sent: 19 September 2007 13:03 To: Phil Heron Cc: framers Subject: Re: and yet another dumb question Thanks

and yet another dumb question

2007-09-19 Thread Phil Heron
Aha - I've found it: http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/ There are two structure manuals for V8 - a Developer's Guide and a Developer's Reference. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces

RE: Frame 7.2 and Vista

2007-09-13 Thread Phil Heron
Hooray - it worked! Thankyou very much for the hint, Denise. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise L. Moss-Fritch Sent: 12 September 2007 16:03 To: Phil Heron; 'framers' Subject: RE: Frame 7.2 and Vista Phil, I have

Frame 7.2 and Vista

2007-09-13 Thread Phil Heron
Hooray - it worked! Thankyou very much for the hint, Denise. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Denise L. Moss-Fritch Sent: 12 September 2007 16:03

Frame 7.2 and Vista

2007-09-12 Thread Phil Heron
to Frame 8. Does anybody have any experience with running this combination? I would be particulary interested in finding out how stable Frame 7.2 is on Vista and whether there is any way I can install the 158 patch. Thanks, Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com Using spreadsheets for group

Frame 7.2 and Vista

2007-09-12 Thread Phil Heron
to Frame 8. Does anybody have any experience with running this combination? I would be particulary interested in finding out how stable Frame 7.2 is on Vista and whether there is any way I can install the 158 patch. Thanks, Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com Using spreadsheets for group

RE: Registry Settings

2007-04-23 Thread Phil Heron
in the OEMCP key. Hope this helps! _ Phil Heron CODA Group International Ltd Tel +44 (0)1423 50 __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: 23 April 2007 13:39

Registry Settings

2007-04-23 Thread Phil Heron
in the OEMCP key. Hope this helps! _ Phil Heron CODA Group International Ltd Tel +44 (0)1423 50 __ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com

RE: Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Phil Heron
_ Phil Heron CODA Group International Ltd Tel +44 (0)1423 50 __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoe Lawson Sent: 02 March 2007 15:35 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Configuring Paste Greetings

Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Phil Heron
_ Phil Heron CODA Group International Ltd Tel +44 (0)1423 50 __ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Zoe Lawson Sent: 02

Difference between us and international english Framemaker

2006-12-14 Thread Phil Heron
versions of the custom templates. I don't think there's any other difference. (One extra step I take after installing is to change the "Language" setting in maker.ini from USEnglish to UKEnglish - this sets UK English as the default language in the designers.) _

7.2 message when you save

2006-07-20 Thread Phil Heron
Caroline, It's in the Preferences dialog - File > Preferences > General. "Show warnings while clearing history". Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com at lists.frameuser

RE: FM cannot find file message

2006-07-17 Thread Phil Heron
in the FrameMaker home directory to update the registry. You can open this file to see what it does and to read the instructions for using it. (In short, at a Windows command prompt, change to the FrameMaker program directory and type FrameMaker -reg (without the quotes). Phil Heron Technical Writer

FM "cannot find file" message

2006-07-17 Thread Phil Heron
in the FrameMaker home directory to update the registry. You can open this file to see what it does and to read the instructions for using it. (In short, at a Windows command prompt, change to the FrameMaker program directory and type "FrameMaker -reg" (without the quotes). Phil Heron

RE: Problems with special characters

2006-07-05 Thread Phil Heron
in FrameMaker: 1. Choose the Symbol font 2. Press Ctrl + q and then 3 OR type Alt + 0178 All the characters available with FrameMaker are listed in the online Character Sets manual. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Problems with special characters

2006-07-05 Thread Phil Heron
t. To use this character in FrameMaker: 1. Choose the Symbol font 2. Press Ctrl + q and then 3 OR type Alt + 0178 All the characters available with FrameMaker are listed in the online "Character Sets" manual. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA -Original Message- From: framers-bou

RE: Speeding up FM 7.2 Startup

2006-06-22 Thread Phil Heron
Aargh! I've re-instated AdobeStd and AdobePiStd. In my message I also mentioned that I removed the AdobeFnt07.lst file. It seems that this is generated by Acrobat Distiller rather than FrameMaker. Apologies to anyone who has been fruitlessly searching for this file. Phil Heron Technical Writer

Speeding up FM 7.2 Startup

2006-06-22 Thread Phil Heron
Aargh! I've re-instated AdobeStd and AdobePiStd. In my message I also mentioned that I removed the AdobeFnt07.lst file. It seems that this is generated by Acrobat Distiller rather than FrameMaker. Apologies to anyone who has been fruitlessly searching for this file. Phil Heron Technical Writer

RE: Speeding up FM 7.2 Startup

2006-06-21 Thread Phil Heron
that Symbol TrueType font and it uses that font instead of the Type 1 font. I also removed the AdobePiStd font because it has no characters in the range available for use by FrameMaker. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2006 16:25 To: framers

Speeding up FM 7.2 Startup

2006-06-21 Thread Phil Heron
uires that Symbol TrueType font and it uses that font instead of the Type 1 font." I also removed the AdobePiStd font because it has no characters in the range available for use by FrameMaker. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: 21

RE: Entire FM Help available as a PDF

2006-06-08 Thread Phil Heron
Also interesting that it was created in March 2002. Has it just been sitting on a shelf unused since then? Still, I'm very pleased to see it available now. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 08 June 2006 10:09

Entire FM Help available as a PDF

2006-06-08 Thread Phil Heron
Also interesting that it was created in March 2002. Has it just been sitting on a shelf unused since then? Still, I'm very pleased to see it available now. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron

RE: FM 7.2 starts much slower than 7.1

2006-05-19 Thread Phil Heron
use them in your Windows applications. However, now I know how to use these fonts, thankyou to Adobe for including them! Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald M Rinderknecht Sent: 19 May

FM 7.2 starts much slower than 7.1

2006-05-19 Thread Phil Heron
le for use in your FrameMaker documents. You cannot use them in your Windows applications." However, now I know how to use these fonts, thankyou to Adobe for including them! Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.co

Help with PDF problem and 11x17 page size

2006-03-17 Thread Phil Heron
te Acrobat Data" Hope this helps, Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carla Drye Sent: 17 March 20

RE: Chinese-language FM documents

2006-03-14 Thread Phil Heron
applications (including Frame) using their normal techniques. If you want more information about using Asian keybards (IMEs) you might want to look at the following Microsoft site: http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/handson/user/IME_Paper.mspx Hope this is of some help to you, Phil Heron

FrameMaker at Adobe Day

2006-03-14 Thread Phil Heron
Hello list members, I'm going to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] day next week (at Adobe UK). Are any other list members going? Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It may not be disclosed to, or used

Chinese-language FM documents

2006-03-14 Thread Phil Heron
heir preferred keyboard and enter Chinese text into Windows applications (including Frame) using their normal techniques. If you want more information about using Asian keybards (IMEs) you might want to look at the following Microsoft site: http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/handson/user/IME_Paper

FrameMaker at Adobe Day

2006-03-14 Thread Phil Heron
Hello list members, I'm going to the FrameMaker at Adobe day next week (at Adobe UK). Are any other list members going? Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It may not be disclosed to, or used

RE: Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Phil Heron
That's easy enough to change. There's a setting on the Advanced tab of the User Accounts dialog to specify whether users have to use Ctrl+Alt+Delete to log on. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) Sent

Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Phil Heron
I am on Windows XP Professional. The instructions you list ("Click Start, click Shut Down, and then in the drop-down list click Shut Down") are perfectly correct for my computer. That is exactly what I see. ?? Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.

Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Phil Heron
That's easy enough to change. There's a setting on the Advanced tab of the User Accounts dialog to specify whether users have to use Ctrl+Alt+Delete to log on. Phil Heron -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces

RE: FrameMaker ROI: Finding Real Examples

2006-03-08 Thread Phil Heron
You could take a look at the Adobe FrameMaker Customer Stories web page http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/customerstories.html. This has case studies of quite a few Frame customers. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

FrameMaker ROI: Finding Real Examples

2006-03-08 Thread Phil Heron
You could take a look at the Adobe FrameMaker Customer Stories web page http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/customerstories.html. This has case studies of quite a few Frame customers. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron

RE: Polish in FrameMaker

2006-03-07 Thread Phil Heron
: Windows XP Professional (UK English default locale) Word XP FrameMaker 7.2 (144) Acrobat 6 Professional Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: 07 March 2006 15:56 To: framers

Polish in FrameMaker

2006-03-07 Thread Phil Heron
: Windows XP Professional (UK English default locale) Word XP FrameMaker 7.2 (144) Acrobat 6 Professional Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com

FrameMaker 6 and Distiller font embedding problem

2006-03-06 Thread Phil Heron
reated by Acrobat up to V5. With V6 the name of the port changed to "Adobe PDF" but it still performs the same function. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:frame

Copying Text Box Crashes Frame

2006-03-03 Thread Phil Heron
I can do this without any problem. Does the problem occur when you create a brand-new document or is it specific to a particular document? I have Frame 7.2 running on Windows XP. What is your environment? Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: framers

HTML character entities in XML files

2006-01-09 Thread Phil Heron
ocations" element. NB: If you want to open xml files based on the Frame XHTML or xDocBook DTDs in an xml editor such as XMetaL, you need to specify the entity file locations in the DTD. Hope this is not too incomprehensible, Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Messa

default fonts in Framemaker 6

2005-12-21 Thread Phil Heron
have been many messages on this list from Dov Isaacs of Adobe about this very subject. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA www.coda.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf