Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Hi,
I am not sure but as per some internet guide, I have configured the bridge on
Freebsd(7) Machine with two LAN cards on it
I have compiled my KERNEL with (device if_bridge)
and then added code to rc.conf
cloned_interfaces=bridge0
Hi,
I connected two linux PCs with these two interfaces (sk0 and sk1)
and tried to ping between them but didnt get any
success.configuration seems to be ok, but still no traffice is being
passed. Can any one give any sugestion ?
Stupid question, but if you connect the 2 Linux boxes directly
Also I wanted to note how I got to this problem:
[root@ /usr/src]# make buildkernel config=GENERIC 2 error.log
[root@ /usr/src]# uname -a
FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24 19:59:52 UTC
2008 r...@logan.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
[root@ /usr/src]#
On 28 feb 2009, at 17:26, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Sean Cavanaugh said the following on 2009-02-28 16:25:
-
From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM
To: FBSD UG free...@rgbaz.eu
Cc: freebsd-questions
[root@ /usr/src]# head error.log
/usr/src/sys/i386/i386/genassym.c:35:23: error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or
directory
/usr/src/sys/i386/i386/genassym.c:36: error: expected declaration specifiers
or '...' before string constant
/usr/src/sys/i386/i386/genassym.c:36: warning: data definition has no
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:28:10 +0700
From: o...@cs.ait.ac.th
To: faiz...@hotmail.com
CC: fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
fb...@a1poweruser.com
Subject: Re: Bridging-(How to test and verify that bridging is enabled)
Hi,
I connected two linux
Paige Thompson wrote:
Also I wanted to note how I got to this problem:
[root@ /usr/src]# make buildkernel config=GENERIC 2 error.log
[snip]
cd /usr/obj and rm -rf usr before trying again. Then cd /usr/src and do:
make buildkernel KERNCONF=nameofsomeconffile another example:
make
I often want to run applications from my PC (actually the dual boot
partition on my desktop 7.1) on one of the X11 capable 7.1 machine at
work (identical configs except for dual booting) and want to be able to
open applications (like deluge) on the work machine that require a X11
server... I
Mike,
I think you misread what I sent, however I noticed that you used
'KERNELCONF' instead of 'config' (as I noted) but I still get the same
error. I want to say the issue must have something to do with the fact that
there's no environment variables that specify the include directories. FWIW
Hi,
Are you using properly crossed cables?
Isnt it enough check for the that two linux can ping each other..
Yes and no. You must used crossed Ethernet cable between your FreeBSD
bridge and each of your Linux boxes.
As someone suggested, what is ifconfig saying on the FreeBSD box? You
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:28:59 -0800, Paige Thompson erra...@devel.ws wrote:
Mike,
I think you misread what I sent, however I noticed that you used
'KERNELCONF' instead of 'config' (as I noted) but I still get the same
error.
Correct is KERNCONF=name of config file as parameter for buildkernel
On 1 mrt 2009, at 07:37, Charles Oppermann wrote:
That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios,
simply
open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of
the
EULA.
Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid in
Sweden.
That would
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Paige Thompson erra...@devel.ws wrote:
You're right, my source tree is incomplete:
# pwd
/usr/src/sys
# cd sys
sys: No such file or directory.
#
Thank you that helps a lot actually, it probably has something to do
with the source archives that I downloaded
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Paige Thompson erra...@devel.ws wrote:
PS: it seems just straight up mget * works x.x
k! satisfactory enough...
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Paige Thompson erra...@devel.ws wrote:
You're right, my source tree is incomplete:
# pwd
/usr/src/sys
# cd sys
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:43:01 -0800, Paige Thompson erra...@devel.ws wrote:
You're right, my source tree is incomplete:
# pwd
/usr/src/sys
# cd sys
sys: No such file or directory.
#
I had a similar problem some years ago and couldn't find out what
the reason was - the magic of this mailing
Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen in paravirtualized mode? Imagine the
increase in ISPs being able to offer FreeBSD to its customers.
I just got my heart broken today:
http://forum.slicehost.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=3191/
--
http://www.myspace.com/soultanisyourfriend
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:35:33 +0700
From: o...@cs.ait.ac.th
To: faiz...@hotmail.com
CC: fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
fb...@a1poweruser.com
Subject: Re: Bridging-(How to test and verify that bridging is enabled)
Hi,
Are you using
Oh, that didn't go to the list, did it.
I should actually read where I send stuff to, well, anyway.
Suse was bought by Novell a while back as you probably know, but as
far as I know the Suse team still is located in Nuernberg over here in
Germany.
They're programmers/geeks whichever you
Redd Vinylene wrote:
Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen in paravirtualized mode? Imagine the
increase in ISPs being able to offer FreeBSD to its customers.
I just got my heart broken today:
http://forum.slicehost.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=3191/
Perhaps you could help fund the development
see http://www.rootbsd.net slicehost is uhmmm well i wount comment.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote:
Redd Vinylene wrote:
Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen in paravirtualized mode? Imagine the
increase in ISPs being able to offer FreeBSD to its customers.
I can't actually apply this patch to FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE. It seems
ataraid is something not to be used in FreeBSD so I have started to
use gmirror instead. Only downside of it is there are 2 disks shown in
boot loader not one so if F1 (first disk goes) goes you have to
manually select other disk
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:35:33 +0700
From: o...@cs.ait.ac.th
To: faiz...@hotmail.com
CC: fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
fb...@a1poweruser.com
Subject: Re: Bridging-(How to test and verify that bridging is enabled)
Andrew Moran wrote:
[...]
Has anyone heard of this? Or any pointers on what I can do to figure
out what is causing it?
Your advice is much appreciated.
As an alternative:
You could try mail/mimedefang. It calls spamassassin to evaluate an
e-mail but without having it running all the
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:48:40 -0600
From: amvandem...@gmail.com
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Bridging-(How to test and verify that bridging is enabled)
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:35:33 +0700
From: o...@cs.ait.ac.th
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:48:40 -0600
From: amvandem...@gmail.com
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Bridging-(How to test and verify that bridging is enabled)
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:35:33 +0700
Hi all,
I format a ext disk (UFS) and transfer some files into it, hand it
over to my friend who has a macbook. He complained the macbook can't
read it. I don't have a mac on hand, I wonder if there is any utility
that will help a mac to read a BSD, thanks!!
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:05:09 -0600
From: amvandem...@gmail.com
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Bridging-(How to test and verify that bridging is enabled)
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:48:40 -0600
From: amvandem...@gmail.com
CC:
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:05:09 -0600
From: amvandem...@gmail.com
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Bridging-(How to test and verify that bridging is enabled)
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:48:40 -0600
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:28:01 -0600
From: amvandem...@gmail.com
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Bridging-(How to test and verify that bridging is enabled)
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:05:09 -0600
From: amvandem...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:16:02AM -0500, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
Hi all,
I format a ext disk (UFS) and transfer some files into it, hand it
over to my friend who has a macbook. He complained the macbook can't
read it. I don't have a mac on hand, I wonder if there is any utility
that will
Sometimes (not often) when installing ports from the ports collection or
upgrading ports (via portupgrade -R) when fetching some needed tar.gz
file, the fetch hangs, just like now:
= rdiff-backup-1.2.6.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in
/usr/ports/distfiles/.
= Attempting to fetch from
Since mpg123 does not support repeat model, i tried to write a script to
play mp3 repeatedly.
I tried bash like this
for((;;))
do
mpg123 [mp3]
done
but it keeps running new mpg123 in background .
but mpg123 [mp3] in foreground cant be terminated by control C
Could anyone
On Monday 02 March 2009 06:54:21 am Pieter Donche wrote:
Sometimes (not often) when installing ports from the ports collection or
upgrading ports (via portupgrade -R) when fetching some needed tar.gz
file, the fetch hangs, just like now:
= rdiff-backup-1.2.6.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 07:14:17PM -0800, gahn wrote:
Hi all:
I have some starting scripts under some other directories other
than /etc/rc.d. How could I utilize the rc.conf file to start them
when the system boots up?
The default location for rc.conf is /etc/rc.d only and the
knob
Faizan ul haq Muhammad wrote:
i noted that, following information is missing
member: sk0 flags=143LEARNING,DISCOVER,AUTOEDGE,AUTOPTP
ifmaxaddr 0 port 1 priority 128 path cost 200
member: sk1 flags=143LEARNING,DISCOVER,AUTOEDGE,AUTOPTP
ifmaxaddr 0 port 2 priority 128 path cost
I tried bash like this
for((;;))
do
mpg123 [mp3]
done
but it keeps running new mpg123 in background .
while true;do mpg123 filename;done
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2009/3/2 RAMASUBRAMANIAN VENKITESWARAN ramanvenkatam...@gmail.com:
SIr,
Thank You very much
Ah, meant to ask you. Do you want the 32-bit version or the 64-bit? If
you want to use accelerated graphics, Java, or flash you're better off
with the 32-bit version. If you're happy with the 32-bit
Hi,
We normally use OpenBSD, but would like to try FreeBSD on a test system.
Usually, when updating from one OpenBSD release to another, we do so by
downloading the latest bsd.rd and booting from that to complete the install.
Our machines have no optical drives. Does FreeBSD have a similar
I was thinking is there someway to direct a X11 app to target the X11 equiv
of /dev/null ?
...what? What problem are you trying to solve, exactly?
-Modulok-
On 3/2/09, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote:
I often want to run applications from my PC (actually the dual boot
new_guy wrote:
Hi,
We normally use OpenBSD, but would like to try FreeBSD on a test system.
Usually, when updating from one OpenBSD release to another, we do so by
downloading the latest bsd.rd and booting from that to complete the install.
Our machines have no optical drives. Does FreeBSD have
RW-15 wrote:
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:16:50 +
Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:
pdksh is statically linked and I don't know if bash is.
It's a build option.
Seems root should have a static shell always... otherwise, all bets are off
as some of the shared libs may be
You misunderstand. I want to install FreeBSD from a ramdisk image (bsd.rd).
Is that possible? It's basically a small kernel that boots the machine,
formats the hard drive, setups root and installs the operating system over
ftp.
--
View this message in context:
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:36:39AM -0800, new_guy wrote:
Hi,
We normally use OpenBSD, but would like to try FreeBSD on a test system.
Usually, when updating from one OpenBSD release to another, we do so by
downloading the latest bsd.rd and booting from that to complete the install.
Our
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:55:39AM -0800, new_guy wrote:
RW-15 wrote:
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:16:50 +
Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:
pdksh is statically linked and I don't know if bash is.
It's a build option.
Seems root should have a static shell
new_guy wrote:
You misunderstand. I want to install FreeBSD from a ramdisk image (bsd.rd).
Is that possible? It's basically a small kernel that boots the machine,
formats the hard drive, setups root and installs the operating system over
ftp.
If that's what you want I definitely misunderstood.
Hi there,
My machine has recently been taken down by (most likely) runaway java
process. The box had to be rebooted as there was no remote access to
it but I am not able to find anything useful in logs to confirm
whether it was java. Is there a tool that would enable me to
automatically turn on
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 06:19:57PM +, Ricardo Jesus wrote:
new_guy wrote:
You misunderstand. I want to install FreeBSD from a ramdisk image (bsd.rd).
Is that possible? It's basically a small kernel that boots the machine,
formats the hard drive, setups root and installs the operating
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:02:25AM -0800, new_guy wrote:
You misunderstand. I want to install FreeBSD from a ramdisk image (bsd.rd).
That is called md (memory disk) in FreeBSD land.
Is that possible? It's basically a small kernel that boots the machine,
formats the hard drive, setups
Matthew Seaman wrote:
Actually, you may only need to recompile databases/php5-mysql
(possibly plus some dependencies) and then restart apache. If your DB
is on the same machine as where you're running phpMyAdmin, then you
will have the 5.0.77 client libraries already installed and
recompiling
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:16:02AM -0500, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
Hi all,
I format a ext disk (UFS) and transfer some files into it, hand it
over to my friend who has a macbook. He complained the macbook can't
read it. I don't have a mac on hand, I wonder if there is any utility
that will
Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:02:25AM -0800, new_guy wrote:
You misunderstand. I want to install FreeBSD from a ramdisk image (bsd.rd).
That is called md (memory disk) in FreeBSD land.
Is that possible? It's basically a small kernel that boots the machine,
formats
2009/3/2 Julian Wissmann julianwissm...@gmail.com:
Oh, that didn't go to the list, did it.
I should actually read where I send stuff to, well, anyway.
Suse was bought by Novell a while back as you probably know, but as far as I
know the Suse team still is located in Nuernberg over here in
i'm trying to install fbsd71 on a ibm thinkpad i1200 via cdrom.
it boots fine from the cd, but then when i choose cd for media it says
No CD/DVD devices found!
huh?? how so?
what can be done?
(i can install through nfs so it is not a lost cause by any means, but
what's going on here?)
--
In
Problem solved. What I did is:
- using Matthew's pkg_info -rx php5-mysql
- after that Aryeh's solution on the php5-mysql port
thanks for your help,
Jos
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Hi,
I hate to start this potential storm, but...
I have a machine with both an MS and FreeBSD slices on it.
I can easily back up and recover the FreeBSD slices using dump(8)/restore(8)
But, that won't work for the MS slice (which happens to be FAT32 on this
machine) because there is no
Thanks very much! Will this actually change behavior of the Linux
kernel module, or is it just supposed to trick new versions of
linux_base to build?
-- Ned Ruggeri
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Pieter de Goeje pie...@degoeje.nl wrote:
On Monday 02 March 2009, Edward Ruggeri wrote:
I am
We have FreeBSD installed on a SunFire box running two AMD Opteron processors.
I was upgrading to 7.1 STABLE on Friday, and after installing the kernel I
rebooted. Now the box is completely unusable. Does anyone know how to get a
SunFire box to boot from the CD ROM? Any changes I make to the
So, what I would like is something that would dump the MS slice
to a FreeBSD file or media written in the FreeBSD world and that
I could then pick out files and directories somewhat like I do
using restore on a dump file.I suspect that tar might not
keep enough meta information to be right
On Monday 02 March 2009 12:52:58 prad wrote:
i'm trying to install fbsd71 on a ibm thinkpad i1200 via cdrom.
it boots fine from the cd, but then when i choose cd for media it says
No CD/DVD devices found!
huh?? how so?
what can be done?
(i can install through nfs so it is not a lost cause
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:52 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote:
i'm trying to install fbsd71 on a ibm thinkpad i1200 via cdrom.
it boots fine from the cd, but then when i choose cd for media it says
No CD/DVD devices found!
huh?? how so?
what can be done?
(i can install through nfs so
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:10:42PM -0500, Jerry wrote:
Hi,
I hate to start this potential storm, but...
I have a machine with both an MS and FreeBSD slices on it.
I can easily back up and recover the FreeBSD slices using dump(8)/restore(8)
But, that won't work for the MS slice (which
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:55:29PM +0800, lacalling wrote:
Since mpg123 does not support repeat model, i tried to write a script to
play mp3 repeatedly.
I tried bash like this
for((;;))
do
mpg123 [mp3]
done
but it keeps running new mpg123 in background .
You asked for
Paul Schmehl-2 wrote:
I've done some Googling, and the most common answer seems to be hit
STOP+A,
but there is no STOP key on an Intel keyboard. Is there a magic
incantation
that will work? Maybe the entrails of a young goat?
Ctrl + Break
I'm sticking with OpenBSD... BTW.
--
Modulok wrote:
I was thinking is there someway to direct a X11 app to target the X11 equiv of
/dev/null ?
...what? What problem are you trying to solve, exactly?
-Modulok-
I'd have to assume he wants to call a remote X program from his terminal
and not have the program's output clutter it
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:46:27 -0500
Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
Try the atapicam kernel module.
i pushed 6 to get loader prompt and there did
boot atapicam
but got
elf32_loadfile: can't load module before kernel
which i thought was weird since in the help boot it says if you
In the last episode (Mar 01), Michael Powell said:
m.borsat...@alice.it wrote:
thanks ... but ... how?
now I don't get the first message; but the second tells me that a library
is missing, but it is present. anyway I' prepared a very simple
/etc/libmap.conf like this:
#
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 02:24:47PM -0500, APseudoUtopia wrote:
Cron is not sending output as emails. I noticed this when I stopped
seeing the output of a backup script in my daily email. I thought
there was a problem with
On Sunday 01 March 2009 19:23:33 Andrew Moran wrote:
Hey guys,
After having lots of problems with memory and 7.1/ZFS, I first
switched everything to 64-bit (amd64), and then I had a new problem,
so I eventually gave up and switched back to UFS (saying on amd64
distro/ports), but I'm still
Kevin Kinsey wrote:
Modulok wrote:
I was thinking is there someway to direct a X11 app to target the
X11 equiv of /dev/null ?
...what? What problem are you trying to solve, exactly?
-Modulok-
I'd have to assume he wants to call a remote X program from his terminal
and not have the program's
On Monday 02 March 2009, Edward Ruggeri wrote:
Thanks very much! Will this actually change behavior of the Linux
kernel module, or is it just supposed to trick new versions of
linux_base to build?
Yes, it changes behaviour. It enables a couple of features new in the Linux
2.6 kernel. Glibc
I think. My linux packages stopped working. Anyone else
experienced/verified/fixed this behavior?
error while loading shared libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libuuid.so.1:
ELF file OS ABI invalid
portupgrade *linux* gives
** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
-
20090121:
AFFECTS: users of devel/linux-glib2, emulation/linux_base-f4
AUTHOR: b...@freebsd.org
Glib2 now is incorporated to emulation/linux_base-fc4 (it has always
been a part of more recent linux base ports). All users should deinstall
devel/linux-glib2 and then deinstall/reinstall
On Sunday 01 March 2009 19:25:44 Michael A. Alestock wrote:
Hi all,
As you're already aware, there've been known issues with ACPI running on
some laptops. For instance, mine is a Toshiba Satellite A105-S2051.
When I first installed FreeBSD v6.3 I would get the following error...
***
I don't want to be impolite, but your solution suggestion is
unneccessarily complicated, involving something that isn't
needed at all.
Let me explain:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:41:10 -0600, David Kelly dke...@hiwaay.net wrote:
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:16:02AM -0500, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
Hi all,
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:10:42 -0500, Jerry jerr...@msu.edu wrote:
So, what I would like is something that would dump the MS slice
to a FreeBSD file or media written in the FreeBSD world and that
I could then pick out files and directories somewhat like I do
using restore on a dump file.
There
On Mar 2, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Mel wrote:
This is hard to debug, but I'd first toggle the PERL_MALLOC option
in the
configuration dialog for the perl port. If this doesn't solve the
problem,
then you'd have to get a ktrace to get some indication of what is
allocating
the memory.
Thank
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:22:50 +0100, Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net wrote:
FBSD UG skrev:
You're not buying the software, you buy a license to use it on one
Apple computer.
Mostly semantics, if I name my computer APPLE Then it's legal to
install. Crap, if I buy it I can install
read UPDATING next time
Were I about to run buildkernel/buildworld, I would read UPDATING. I
don't recall there being an UPDATING in /usr/ports. Perhaps the
documentation regarding this should be updated. One tries not to rely
on the mailing list, but when all knowledge is tribal, what
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 02:24:47PM -0500, APseudoUtopia wrote:
Cron is not sending output as emails. I noticed this when I stopped
seeing the output of a backup script in my daily email. I thought
there was a problem with the backup script - but no, it's cron not
sending the emails.
I had
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:24 PM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
#
# User www's crontab
# Note, I also tried removing the MAILTO to no avail
#
MAILTO=root
# m h dom mon dow cmd
* * * * * echo Hello
[snip]
1.)
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Steve Franks bahamasfra...@gmail.comwrote:
read UPDATING next time
Were I about to run buildkernel/buildworld, I would read UPDATING. I
don't recall there being an UPDATING in /usr/ports. Perhaps the
documentation regarding this should be updated. One
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Steve Franks wrote:
read UPDATING next time
Were I about to run buildkernel/buildworld, I would read UPDATING. I
don't recall there being an UPDATING in /usr/ports. Perhaps the
documentation regarding this should be updated.
Section 4.5.4 seems to cover it:
There has always been a /usr/ports/UPDATING atleast as far back as 6.0 is
when I noticed itbut that's when I started using FreeBSD
Well, I'll be d###'ed. So there is. Makes sense, I guess. Wonder
how many other UPDATING's are floating around the system...
Steve
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:21:21PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
There has always been a /usr/ports/UPDATING atleast as far back as 6.0 is
when I noticed itbut that's when I started using FreeBSD
Well, I'll be d###'ed. So there is. Makes sense, I guess. Wonder
how many other UPDATING's
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