ZFS v28 and aclmode

2011-07-22 Thread Eugene Mitrofanov
Hi all, I just updated to 8.2S and zfs v28 and notice strange thing: in the manual i can read about aclmode but i can not use it in the real life: # zfs set aclmode=passthrough data/public cannot set property for 'data/public': invalid property 'aclmode' Obsolete manual? Good luck --

Re: Sendmail not accepting connections on port 25

2011-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:34:26 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: ssgriffonuser writes: My isp is blocking outgoing traffic on port 25. Yeah, it looks like your right. I never would've considered my ISP blocking outbound traffic from my home, but I suppose it makes sense. Does _not_

Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?

2011-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:11:55 +0400, Subbsd wrote: Hi On 7/19/11, Konrad Heuer kheu...@gwdg.de wrote: To my mind we'll have to face a rapid change within the next years, and operating systems of the future might be Android or IOS or Windows Mobile or something similar which my base on

Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?

2011-07-22 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: One of the people I know uses this as his work laptop, running Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook, Word, etc. (Of course, he's not running Android at that point...) The 'laptop' is a tablet in a case with a bluetooth keyboard. He uses

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

2011-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:55:29 -0400, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: This is where we find a dividing line between users who want different things. Yes, you turn on your Win7 laptop (or wake it up) in a coffee shop, and it connects automagically

Re: build ports from not a root user?

2011-07-22 Thread Mike Clarke
On Thursday 21 July 2011, Peter Vereshagin wrote: As long as I saw the instructions on building from source they wre generally all like this:     $ cd /tarball-expanded-0.x.y     $ ./configure     $ make     $ su -     # cd /tarball-expanded-0.x.y     # make install That important 'su

Re: build ports from not a root user?

2011-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:59:29 +0100, Mike Clarke wrote: On Thursday 21 July 2011, Peter Vereshagin wrote: As long as I saw the instructions on building from source they wre generally all like this:     $ cd /tarball-expanded-0.x.y     $ ./configure     $ make     $ su -     # cd

How to sync a file on FreeBSD?

2011-07-22 Thread Unga
Hi all How to sync a file on FreeBSD (esp. on 8.1) to disk? I used fsync(2), but does not immediately flush to disk. I want my writing to a file (a log file) immediately available to other users to read. Best regards Unga ___

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD?

2011-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:44:00 -0700 (PDT), Unga wrote: How to sync a file on FreeBSD (esp. on 8.1) to disk? I used fsync(2), but does not immediately flush to disk. I want my writing to a file (a log file) immediately available to other users to read. Maybe you can use system(/bin/sync);

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD?

2011-07-22 Thread Alejandro Imass
If you used fsync it should write to permanent storage immediately, and it's no longer the OS' problem. If it's not flushing immediately, maybe the mystery is at the filesystem level or even hardware, both of which you didn't provide. When you say 'users' are they looking at the file via NFS or

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD?

2011-07-22 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Unga unga...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all How to sync a file on FreeBSD (esp. on 8.1) to disk? I used fsync(2), but does not immediately flush to disk. I want my writing to a file (a log file) immediately available to other users to read. It shouldn't matter:

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD?

2011-07-22 Thread Alexander Best
On Fri Jul 22 11, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Unga unga...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all How to sync a file on FreeBSD (esp. on 8.1) to disk? I used fsync(2), but does not immediately flush to disk. I want my writing to a file (a log file) immediately available to

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD?

2011-07-22 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Friday, July 22, 2011 08:44:00 AM Unga wrote: How to sync a file on FreeBSD (esp. on 8.1) to disk? I used fsync(2), but does not immediately flush to disk. I want my writing to a file (a log file) immediately available to other users to read. A file doesn't need to be synced to disk

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

2011-07-22 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:56:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: Want it like this? :-) ---http://xkcd.com/416/ That's exactly what I don't want. That is (an exaggeration of) what NetworkManager is trying to do and, predictably, it fails sometimes, just as MS Windows' automated network

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD? [SOLVED]

2011-07-22 Thread Unga
--- On Fri, 7/22/11, Pieter de Goeje pie...@degoeje.nl wrote: From: Pieter de Goeje pie...@degoeje.nl Subject: Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Unga unga...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 7:37 PM On Friday, July 22, 2011 08:44:00 AM Unga

Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?

2011-07-22 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 09:52:10AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: One of the people I know uses this as his work laptop, running Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook, Word, etc. (Of course, he's not running Android at that point...)

Unionfs - is it actually usable?

2011-07-22 Thread Arthur Chance
Ever since RELEASE-5.0 man mount_unionfs has contained a section saying BUGS THIS FILE SYSTEM TYPE IS NOT YET FULLY SUPPORTED (READ: IT DOESN'T WORK) AND USING IT MAY, IN FACT, DESTROY DATA ON YOUR SYSTEM. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. BEWARE OF DOG. SLIPPERY WHEN WET. On the

Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?

2011-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:05:59 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: re: TeX and MS Word or OO.o Write TeX is a print formatting system. MS Word and OO.o Write are very poor text editors with some very poor facsimiles of print formatting systems built into them. (La)TeX is a professional typesetting

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD? [SOLVED]

2011-07-22 Thread Michael Sierchio
This is extremely important, esp. with Softupdates, since fsync() does not guarantee a flush of all buffers to the medium. In order to implement a stable queue, it would be best to use a different filesystem. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Unga unga...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 7/22/11,

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

2011-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:58:26 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I mean that its primary purpose is to try to guess what the user wants based on the developers' mental model of what users want, then tries to make it happen -- and, too often, the developers' mental model of what users want does not match

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD? [SOLVED]

2011-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:37:48 -0700, Michael Sierchio wrote: This is extremely important, esp. with Softupdates, since fsync() does not guarantee a flush of all buffers to the medium. But wouldn't sync() (see man 2 sync) make sure that all buffers, even in regards to soft updates, get

Re: How to sync a file on FreeBSD? [SOLVED]

2011-07-22 Thread Michael Sierchio
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: But wouldn't sync() (see man 2 sync) make sure that all buffers, even in regards to soft updates, get immediately flushed / written? Apparently not. I think most of Matt Dillon's notes are still relevant.

Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?

2011-07-22 Thread Reid Linnemann
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: On Thu, July 21, 2011 1:11 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: If all they want is a toy with a Web browser and an email client, I guess that works for them.  I don't

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

2011-07-22 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:58:26 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:56:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: Want it like this? :-) ---http://xkcd.com/416/ That's exactly what I don't want. That is (an exaggeration of) what NetworkManager is trying to do and,

Re: zpool-zfs'es on a GELI-encrypted volume are not mounted at boot [patch included]

2011-07-22 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:25:38 +0400 Pan Tsu iny...@gmail.com wrote: Christopher J. Ruwe c...@cruwe.de writes: [...] In this setup, I should not have any problems. However, I do not realize (and very much doubt) that I changed anything in the order of the services (lacking the capability

Re: make buildworld errors

2011-07-22 Thread Magnus Sandberg
Hi, Can it be related to an issue from 2009? I have the same problem when compiling with WITHOUT_KVM and WITH_INET6 (implicit as WITHOUT_INET6 is not defined). See the folling links http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2009-November/013020.html

Sio won't compile in 8.2

2011-07-22 Thread Lars Eighner
Although the code for sio appears to be in 8.2 (or at least cvsup does not delete) but it does not compile - apparently owing to a missing tty related library or a version difference. Since there does not appear to be any likelihood that uart will be fixed, I figure I will be stuck in 7.4

[Announcement] TeX Live 2011: Extended FreeBSD support

2011-07-22 Thread Nikola Lečić
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Dear FreeBSD community, Yesterday, Karl Berry announced the release of TeX Live 2011: http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2011-July/029711.html For those of you who use the official distribution, we arranged everything so that TeX Live 2011

Re: Sio won't compile in 8.2

2011-07-22 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Lars Eighner wrote: Since there does not appear to be any likelihood that uart will be fixed, I figure I will be stuck in 7.4 forever. But what does that mean in the not too distant future when 7.4 is no longer supported? Is there some way to prepare for that

Replace A Device Driver In The Media

2011-07-22 Thread Miller, Vincent (Rick)
Hi, Lets say, theoretically, one wishes to replace a device driver in the FreeBSD media so that consequent system installs from that media built with the alternate driver, as opposed to the stock media driver. How would one approach this task? == Vincent (Rick) Miller Systems Engineer

Re: Replace A Device Driver In The Media

2011-07-22 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Miller, Vincent (Rick) wrote: Lets say, theoretically, one wishes to replace a device driver in the FreeBSD media so that consequent system installs from that media built with the alternate driver, as opposed to the stock media driver. How would one approach

Re: Sio won't compile in 8.2

2011-07-22 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 7/22/2011 1:06 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Lars Eighner wrote: Since there does not appear to be any likelihood that uart will be fixed, I figure I will be stuck in 7.4 forever. But what does that mean in the not too distant future when 7.4 is no longer supported?

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 17:12 21/07/2011, Michael W. Lucas wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:01:57PM +0200, Eduardo Morras wrote: Have you tried other protocols? Http, rsync... It maybe a problem at client side, some ftp clients can set a maximun ftp transfer, like filezilla, winscp, FTP and NFSv3 both have

Re: Sio won't compile in 8.2

2011-07-22 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: Sure-- you could provide fixes for uart yourself, or adequately detailed bug reports so that whatever the problem is which you see could be worked on by other people. I thought this was deja vu all over again. Same issue as in

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 7/22/2011 1:50 PM, Eduardo Morras wrote: At 17:12 21/07/2011, Michael W. Lucas wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:01:57PM +0200, Eduardo Morras wrote: Have you tried other protocols? Http, rsync... It maybe a problem at client side, some ftp clients can set a maximun ftp transfer, like

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 02:06:23PM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: On 7/22/2011 1:50 PM, Eduardo Morras wrote: At 17:12 21/07/2011, Michael W. Lucas wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:01:57PM +0200, Eduardo Morras wrote: Have you tried other protocols? Http, rsync... It maybe a problem at

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 7/22/2011 3:08 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote: Basically the same. I don't think it's disk. Are you able to saturate the ethernet ? Try something like /usr/src/tools/tools/netrate/netblast/netblast on the local ethernet and see if you can generate and receive a full gigabit on the wire

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 7/22/2011 3:08 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote: Basically the same. I don't think it's disk. Are you able to saturate the ethernet ? Try something like /usr/src/tools/tools/netrate/netblast/netblast on the local ethernet and see if you can generate and receive a full gigabit on the wire

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 03:46:06PM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: On 7/22/2011 3:08 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote: Basically the same. I don't think it's disk. Are you able to saturate the ethernet ? Try something like /usr/src/tools/tools/netrate/netblast/netblast on the local

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 7/22/2011 4:10 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote: 3.65 419155.4 Thats 400Mb/s no ? Whats the CPU in this thing ? Also your NIC version was 7.1.9. RELENG_8 has 7.2.3. Can you try that version if possible ? So no, I'm not saturating this network. Not even close. I have a machine with a

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 04:15:11PM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: On 7/22/2011 4:10 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote: 3.65 419155.4 Thats 400Mb/s no ? Whats the CPU in this thing ? Also your NIC version was 7.1.9. RELENG_8 has 7.2.3. Can you try that version if possible ? facepalm I sit

Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?

2011-07-22 Thread pete wright
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Michael W. Lucas mwlu...@blackhelicopters.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 04:15:11PM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: On 7/22/2011 4:10 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote: Will applications such as NFS cut bandwith usage that much? I have seen similar performance