but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy
things to HAVE them. You are right.
That is an incredibly stupid statement.
This is an incredibly stupid behaviour, but unfortunately true.
While a user may buy a product
that contains additional software that they do not
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived.
I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all?
Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules.
FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What
This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed
in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the
time.
But there are more and more new users. It will not work that way another
10 years.
The few days a month where the discussion goes
Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers
actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world
county or the EU would probably sue them.
for setting up open standard? why?
while i probably have similar (or worse) opinion about EU, to which Poland
is now
FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do
is their decision.
Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the
system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list.
it's not that much work. The traffic won't be high
But there are more and more new users. It will not work that way another
10 years.
It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 years ago.
and isn't that list ALREADY much worse, mostly 2-3 last years?
In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would be 3 billion
WAY OT, but I agree by average most people are not very smart. However,
Where the word average is important. Anyway within thousands of years
politicians never been so successful in brainwashing as today.
a great deal of the ice people claim will melt and flood the world is
NOT currently
Only because some people can't resist the temptation to chide him for
not saying the right things in the right way.
Really. In every case I've seen where one of these flamewars has
erupted, it's because someone took it upon himself to make a personal
attack in response to something Wojciech
is enough to prove that water level will not change at all.
Even for you this is a new low.
just another attack? you really can't discuss like a human? I think you
can, but you like behave in me too style. others are agains, you must be
too!
about thermal expansion - water will be roughly
1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD
add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be
interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so.
if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be
unreadable completely as there will be
radius# uptime
11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
very good result, but thinking that way is quite a nonsense. you have to
shut down, then just shut down!
if you want to talk about how well your server works, how stable it is and
how good admin are you,
Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds
the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the
actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for,
let's call it accumulated uptime. :-)
if it will add only in case of clean shutdown - it would be good.
I really don't have any hard data on ZFS performance relative to UFS + geom.
so please test yourself :)
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ZFS should work on i386. As far as I know there aren't any killer bugs that
are architecture specific, but I'm no expert. Unless your aim is to learn
unless someone assume than size of pointers are 4 bytes, and write program
in C, there will work as good in 64-bit mode and in 32-bit mode.
Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him.
as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way.
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I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the
authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small
problem, but don't know how to install the updated port.
i think it's best to add your patch to /usr/ports/blah/blah/files
with name patch-something
look at
Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially
scare off a sponsor?
never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in
your opinion.
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as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way.
Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a
good thing after all...
Of course - ban it!
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add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be
interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so.
No, any financial contributions are welcome.
they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference.
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with name patch-something
look at existing as an example
That didn't seem to work.
what exactly doesn't? could you please post error messages?
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One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing
that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering
hosting but every time someone on this lists says hello and wants to
either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you
owned this
It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT
an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes
an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation.
You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly
stop replying defending your actions, or even
in C, there will work as good in 64-bit mode and in 32-bit mode.
Wojciech, I have to ask: are you actually a programmer or are you repeating
yes i am. if you are interested i wrote programs for x86, ARM (ARM7TDMI),
MIPS32 (4Kc), and once for alpha. I have quite good knowledge for ARM and
time after taking the blindingly obvious step of deleting the 'work'
directory.
This seems to be a key part of the process.
The patch doesn't install correctly, as the make process generates the
it installs correctly for sure :) as you don't see errors
following:
HttpHeader.cc:127:
stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were
wrong and apologise.
just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU
DECIDED SO.
How many opinions do you need before you start taking this seriously?
rather - from whom, now how. quality, not
No, any financial contributions are welcome.
they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference.
Do you know who Boris is?
checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer.
but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and
improving website.
You are then told that your reply was unnecessary and unwarranted,
then you continue to post snide remarks and taunt those telling you
that you are wrong.
Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be
unsubscribing from this list.
PLEASE NO!
I like your posts :)
you talk about performance or if it work at all?
Both, really. If they have to code up macros to support identical operations
OK. talking about performance:
- 64-bit addition/substraction on 32-bit computer: 2 instructions instead
of one (ADD+ADC)
- 64-bit NOT, XOR, AND, OR and
checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer.
but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and
improving website.
Beg pardon, my mistake, thought he was the guy from the Foundation.
Still, he's a developer. Are you?
no i'm not. but you don't answer my
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/mirror/gm0d 4058062 -377792 4111210 110%/tmp
/dev/mirror/gm0e 15231278 -113942 14126718 101%/var
then? I always assumed that a disk occupation 100% would go into
this reserved area, which
Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be
unsubscribing from this list.
Glen - please don't.
Me too! Don't unsubscribe :)
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Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be
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Glen: Please don't!
I agree.
And Wojciech, is there any way we can convince you to show a more
positive attitude to the people on this list?
it is positive. actually very positive :)
While being
mainstream, or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally.
Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But
don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing
reread my posts. i didn't speak for them and i said that i'm not them.
i AS
Of course - ban it!
Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I
no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns
If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;)
This means that OS functionality is not important for
I haven't looked at the ZFS code but this sort of thing is exactly why
all code I write uses int8_t, int16_t, int32_t, uint8_t, ... even when
the first thing I have to do with a new compiler is to work out the
proper typedefs to create them.
int, short and char are portable, only other things
My source of interrupt storms was caused by a bad SATA cable. Installed
a new VIA 6421-based SATA card (selected because it was only $15) and
two new hard drives for the purpose of copying files off two older
drives. New drives were detected but ad4 did not work when ad6 did.
Swapped drives and
Why would you need to do that? There is a bce driver in the 7.x OS
already.
Cause it's unstable? Search these or many other archives. The short answer:
under IO load the card drops net link or panics kernel.
is it any recipe to trigger that behaviour? i have that card (builtin) on
loaded
stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2?
Err, this thread is very long...can we blame our snuggle Pole or did no one
mention convert to ogg-theora and install audio/ices2+audio/icecast2.
but is it for video? seems like sound broadcast
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no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns
If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;)
This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all!
Well, that certainly doesn't follow.
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while
loaded server with 2 months uptime and with quite lot of traffic going
through that card.
Don't have local archives handy, but here ya go:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensafe=offclient=operarls=enhs=H9jnum=30q=bce+problem+freebsd+site%3Alists.freebsd.orgbtnG=Search
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tomorrow i will
but is it for video? seems like sound broadcast
It doesn't care what's inside the ogg container:
http://www.theora.org/benefits/
good. i was suggested by /usr/ports/audio/
anyway for just playing static video/audio files on user request it's just
exaggeration.
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it
because of forum - still read and posts here.
None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about.
Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is
irrelevant to most (and probably to all)
I don't see what static content has got to do with it. OP wants a different
delivery method. Just like you can download the static FreeBSD DVD via
ftp/http or torrent.
i said exaggeration, not wrong way.
if there is a requirement to use THAT delivery method from client, you are
absolutely
thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many
threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest little
thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS.
no matter what you think and what your opinion is, you will always find
part of forum users
I have jsut loaded up 7.2, fetched the ports and installed xorg / fluxbox
etc - for first time my kb / mouse didnt work in xorg but now I have that
sorted with enabling hald etc
sorry if stupid question, but have xorg got radical changes within last
months?
I never needed hald to have
date: Mon May 18 09:03:09 EDT 2009
uname: FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0
uptime: 9:03AM up 732 days, 11:36, 0 users
Hardly possible in Poland. i can't imagine 2 years without power failures
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Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices
via hald. This is causing some issues with moused and
/dev/sysmouse. There are a couple of options for how to deal
one more question - does it mean that it really wants or you don't have
a choice at all.
I'm asking to know if
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD
fundation and contributors.
But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up.
i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it
in a different way.
of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated
DEST STATE AGE EXP PKTS BYTES
62.75.158.169:8020 4:4 05:03:05 23:59:59 380K 296M
5 hours of online radio and I downloaded 296Meg. I don't want that hitting my
harddisk at all. And if I do, then I can always record it.
you don't have to. use for example
Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation
and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example
that:
But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up.
I'm very sorry
does it detects errors and fix them?
after fsck is it ok or still nonsense in Used?
Unfortunately I did not do the fsck. We have an automated reimaging
process that lets me rebuild a system in less than five minutes so I
decided for expediency to do this. If I see this happen again though,
I'll
The xorg-server port has an option not to use hal. But it is enabled by
default.
indeed
| |[X] HALCompile with HAL config support
u :) how nice. while i have Xorg already installed when i need, and
don't upgrade it (as it works fine),
once again thank you very
Sorry to wade in to this, but the reality has been and is just the
oposite. It is m. Puchar who has been making reactionary responses
and somewhat unkind ones at that.Is it a language issue? Or is
this. please tell me (privately) the fragment that you read as this,
because everything i
Well, that certainly doesn't follow.
Actually, that one does.
Don't bother, he just answered that after reading wojciech puchar in
mail header, so he had to be against.
If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc
then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't
As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but
that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others.
Being of the opinion that the earth is flat is just not a very good
opinion . . . no?
exactly. but as you may compare some of my opinions to flat earth as i
to miss those.
Everyone is right, Everyone is wrong, kiss and make up - and then PLEASE
STFU! And that's said with ALL due respect and not directed toward any
one person!
All this $hit DID make me realize I need to get my company to pony up
some $$$ - FreeBSD has been beneficial to u, so
I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT
directed to you. Neither was it to me. I did not reply to it because it
was clearly addressed to the core team.
it was addressed to mailing list. if he would like to address it to core
team, then he would do this!
to
therefore, it seems that keeping the list to fbsd issues is a valid
point.
Which WILL end up with moderated list within some time. Current quality
will not improve, only will get worse sooner or later.
The moderated list should be started quickly for simple reason:
at the beginning
I have been looking for and have not been able to find out if there is a
driver for FreeBSD6.4 that supports the RTL8111-GR network adaptor. This is a
port that is built into the Intel DG31PR Motherboard. Has anyone been able
man 4 re
says it support RTL8111
but i have FreeBSD 7.1
No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If
for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements.
Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread,
appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to
fail (for whatever
Are you suggesting a user should only upgrade if they are having a
problem, or do you just like to contribute more nonsense to the list
mostly yes - keep things as is if it works. and it's only nonsense for
you.
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I'd say it depends very much on the system's use. For a system
which is in production (i.e. doing ongoing work), there is a
great deal to be said for not fixing things that aren't broken.
if they are not broken - there is nothing to fix.
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Very specifically that I was getting watchdog time outs and link status
up down up on the re nic driver, hopefully 7.2 solves this.
hmm i do have re(8) nic with 7.1 (6.3 before) - no problems. strange
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Yes, you're right. For static content, buffering a TCP connection
is certainly good enough.
But for live streams and video conferencing, buffering adds latency
we talked about playing/streaming videos from files.
for IP-TV, videophone, telephone of course only UDP transport make sense
we talked about playing/streaming videos from files.
Even streaming from files makes sense in many situations.
Please, go back to netbsd or start using linux, at least in linux forums your
constant stream of opinion based drivel is most welcome. In here you are
poisoning the questions list,
when you play file directly from HTTP/FTP source it's streaming too.
just much more simple, portable, and cachable by squid/other proxies
Oke, but ftp doesn't show the actual file but only downloads it, right?
depend what program you use.
if you mean ftp as /usr/bin/ftp or maybe lftp/ncftp -
so please test as it's true :)
I did test it and indeed it looks that way...
OK
actually youtube player does not throttle at all - just load as fast as
possible into memory while playing at normal speed.
Yes but we are now discussing another service here. Imho there is some
difference
Comment:
Hyper fast realtime audio/video encoder/converter, streaming server
good for IP-TV but not very (and overcomplex) for playing few files.
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similarly to youtube and provide just link with Play to your movies.
Personally I have nothing with YouTube except that I constantly wonder how
they 'stream', which according to your information, is less than I expected
:-)
except that it prevents caching, it's not less than but just fine.
for completeness, the last lines of maillog if I send a mail from root to a
local account (robi):
May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sendmail[10730]: n4QFeh7V010730: to=robi,
ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=relay, pri=30032,
r=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
have rtmpdump in the ports?
Maybe because of mplayer -streamdump rtsp:// ... ? :-)
I've not checked, but using -streamdump with mplayer lets
you dump most datastreams (coming from another file, a DVD,
actually i never had a case it would fail to work :)
while watching...
While downloading, you're usually not watching (while it's
still possible to watch inclomplete files with mplayer).
if you type URL containing flash movie in browser (with flash enabled of
course ;) it will start playing it before downloading all.
And for complete
Personally I have nothing with YouTube except that I constantly wonder how
i do have. because youtube quality== no quality.
i treat this mostly as a preview, like downloading for eg. music video to
look if it's worth to seek for normal quality version.
anyway noone is forced to use it, and
ps ax|grep sendmail
# ps ax|grep sendmail
12313 ?? Ss 0:00.04 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail)
12314 ?? S 0:02.34 sendmail: ./n4QG4DDt012314 mx1.eu.apache.org.:
client DATA 354 (sendmail)
12315 ?? Is 0:00.00 sendmail: Queue run...@00:30:00 for
now show me your /etc/mail/`hostname`*.mc
here it is:
it's `hostname`.mc looks OK but how about `hostname`.submit.mc
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here it is:
divert(0)dnl
VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.submit.mc,v 1.1 2003/10/19
00:03:13 gshapiro Exp $')
define(`confCF_VERSION', `Submit')dnl
define(`__OSTYPE__',`')dnl dirty hack to keep proto.m4 from complaining
define(`_USE_DECNET_SYNTAX_', `1')dnl support DECnet
content does get stored in main memory only. So it can happen
that content gets stored in the swap partition or in a local
swap file in the main file system (as a file or part of a file).
Temporarily, of course, and splitted.
You know what I mean. :-)
of course, i meant virtual memory saying
Wojciech hates it for some reason, but I wouldn't let that deter you. I'm
same == incredibly low performance.
of course having overmuscled CPU not much used for anything else - it may
not be a problem.
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- Filesystem sizes are dynamic. They all grow and shrink inside the
same
pool, so you don't have to worry about making one too large or too
small.
there are actually almost no filesystems, just one filesystem with many
upper descriptors and separate per filesystem quota.
just to make happy
You can make ZFS work on i386, but it requires very careful tuning and is not
going to work brilliantly well for particularly large or high-throughput
filesystems.
you mean high transfer like reading/writing huge files. anyway not
faster than properly configured UFS+maybe gstripe/gmirror.
ZFS is thoroughly 64-bit and uses 64-bit math pervasively. That means
you
have to emulate all those operations with 2 32-bit values, and on the
register-starved x86 platform you end up with absolutely horrible
performance.
no this difference isn't that great. it doesn't use much less CPU on
Can anyone name me a program that can be used to do so?
It can even be LaTeX, or a painting program that lets
for sure it's possible with LaTeX, most probably there is ready module
already :)
if not - make a simple program that will generate command sequence for
latex for each letter with
http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/2131627/inkscape-screencast-by-heathen-x
This would force me to install a torrent client. :-)
/usr/ports/net-p2p/rtorrent
:)
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I've seen this kind of thing appear in my df output:
linprocfs 4 4 0 100%/proc
/dev/mirror/gm0d 4058062 -377792 4111210 -10%/tmp
/dev/mirror/gm0e 15231278 -113942 14126718-1%/var
/dev/ad10s3e121487580 4 111768570
first - says that it's measure of CPU load
then - or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O - which is NOT
measure of CPU load.
You are mistaken. I think what you are referring to is the percentage of
no i'm not. doing lots of I/O and little CPU load produces high load
average.
first - says that it's measure of CPU load
then - or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O - which is NOT
measure of CPU load.
Er, what? Of course it is!
amount of disk I/O is a measure of CPU load? seems you are true expert ;)
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i use gmirror but once i tried gvinum and it doesn't work well.
i think simply use mirroring. ZFS will introduce 100 times more problems
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I have looked at ZFS recently. Appears to be a memory hog, needs about 1
GB especially if large file transfers may occur over gigabit ethernet
while it CAN be set up on 256MB machine with a little big flags in
loader.conf (should be autotuned anyway) - it generally takes as much
memory as it's
Do you ever think before you type? You regularly fill this mailing
list with crap
please don't name things crap just because you don't understand
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I think Wojciech means '...which is NOT measure of CPU _utilization_'
exactly what i said.
In that case he's correct: whenever the CPU has to wait a lot for I/O,
like network and disk, then the _load_ will go up, while the CPU
_utilization_ stays low.
and that's inconsistent with
I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as video
streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth (...).
^
Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a stream
Ok granted this is a server sat in my house and it is not a mission
critical server in a large business, personally I have can live with ZFS
taking a bit longer vs resilience.
simply gmirror and UFS gives the same. much simpler, much faster.
but of course lots of people like to make their life
It makes a certain degree of sense. Sometimes things have to be done
wrong for us to realize how good we had it before. How would we know how
great FreeBSD is if we didn't have Linux? I had to look at ZFS to decide
not to use it when I rebuild my storage this week due to a failing
drive.
you
but of course lots of people like to make their life harder
No I am not making life harder at all ... I have 6x500gb hard disks I
want in a good solid raid 5 type configuration. So you are somewhat wide
of the mark in your assumptions.
that's a reason. just don't forget that RAID-z is MUCH
Regardless from what you said: you _wrote_ CPU _load_, not cpu
what's a difference for you between CPU load and CPU utilization?
i mean CPU load not system load.
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The CPU will perform the same, whether at 10% utilization, or at 100%
utilization, the system however won't.
That's the difference between load and utilization.
still don't understand you.
CPU will not perform the same at 10% utilization, it will perform 10 times
less than at 100%
make search key=streaming
in the ports directory. IMHO, streaming versus downloading is more
bandwidth intensive overall.
and give NO adventages.
anyway - file that is available through FTP/HTTP or similar way you can
stream too. just without any extra tools both under windoze and unix.
Not true. top(1) can fully utilize the CPU. Doing so does not put
the system under full load.
top uses small percentage of CPU power. if it would use all - it WOULD
mean full CPU load.
load average is how much processes (by average) is not doing calculations
because something is not yet
The CPU = Central Processing Unit will perform it's calculations at so many
megahertz while at 10% utilization or at 100% utilization. The entire machine
no. it will not. all today x86 CPUs reacts on HLT command and doesn't do
anything except waiting for interrupt (and saving lots of power).
^^^
Sorry, mistake:
s/file streaming/file download/
when you play file directly from HTTP/FTP source it's streaming too.
just much more simple, portable, and cachable by squid/other proxies
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