Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Lucas B. Cohen
On 2012.11.18 09:58, Gary Kline wrote: I probably should cc the hardward guys about this. first, see if it geta any traction here, tho. my tech guy got me a Delll 3010 that has an improved [[meaning screwed up]] BIOS with some hardware mess called the UEFI.

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:49:46 +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote: On 2012.11.18 09:58, Gary Kline wrote: I probably should cc the hardward guys about this. first, see if it geta any traction here, tho. my tech guy got me a Delll 3010 that has an improved [[meaning screwed up]]

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Allow me to provide just one example: More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html That doesn't appear to be a bug. It appears that the code is doing exactly what the designer wanted it

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Allow me to provide just one example: More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html That doesn't appear to be a bug. It appears that

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Allow me to provide just one example: More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html That

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Feenberg feenb...@nber.org wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Allow me to provide just one example: More in the

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Feenberg feenb...@nber.org wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Allow me

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Gary Kline
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:18:32PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Allow me to provide just one example: More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Gary Kline
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:30:44AM -0500, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Feenberg feenb...@nber.org wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote:

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread andrew clarke
On Mon 2012-11-19 07:55:16 UTC-0500, Daniel Feenberg (feenb...@nber.org) wrote: The only way for FreeBSD (or Linux, for that matter) to survive in a world where hardware vendors care only about Windows, is to make sure that FreeBSD only depends upon features that Windows uses. In a world

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:27:52 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: answer me this, daniel or anybody else:: isn't there a very small group who is devoted to creating a 100% open/free hardware and software? maybe 64-bit only to start? most of us who are still alive and contributing

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 07:46:45AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:27:52 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: answer me this, daniel or anybody else:: isn't there a very small group who is devoted to creating a 100% open/free hardware and software? maybe 64-bit only to

Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-19 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:35:15 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 07:46:45AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:27:52 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: answer me this, daniel or anybody else:: isn't there a very small group who is devoted to creating a 100% open/free

Anybody use the Dell 3010??

2012-11-18 Thread Gary Kline
I probably should cc the hardward guys about this. first, see if it geta any traction here, tho. my tech guy got me a Delll 3010 that has an improved [[meaning screwed up]] BIOS with some hardware mess called the UEFI. Trying to get ssh to work