Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-04-01 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:17:16 -0400, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote: I've no experience with VirtualBSD. But I can say that VBox comes with host configs for FreeBSD 32 and 64 clients. Yesterday I fed the FreeBSD 8.2 RELEASE Disk 1 ISO into VBox and it installed very nicely. Network even came

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-31 Thread four.harris...@googlemail.com
of stuff like this away. -- Peter Harrison www.4harrisons.blogspot.com -original message- Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro From: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Date: 30/03/2011 18:12 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) four.harris...@googlemail.com four.harris...@googlemail.com

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-31 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:29 -0700 (PDT), four.harris...@googlemail.com four.harris...@googlemail.com wrote: I left Linux a while ago, but at that time compiling and installing a new kernel on Red Hat or Slackware (to stick within my experience) was significantly harder to do than make

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-31 Thread Arthur Chance
On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote: There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. Nitpick: the web site says VirtualBSD is a virtual appliance for VMware Thanks for the pointer though, could be useful in encouraging others to

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-31 Thread Arthur Chance
On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote: On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote: There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. Nitpick: the web site says VirtualBSD is a virtual appliance for VMware Following myself up,

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-31 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:33:09 +0100, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote: On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote: There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. Nitpick: the web site

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-31 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:05:36 -0400, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:12:26 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT)

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-31 Thread Tom Worster
On 3/31/11 1:10 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:33:09 +0100, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote: On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote: There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a FreeBSD system image that can

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:09:17AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:09:17AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No,

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). A word of caution -- as you have probably noticed in responses

RE: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread four.harris...@googlemail.com
message- Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro From: Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com Date: 29/03/2011 21:14 I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 30, 2011 9:49:02 AM -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing,

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) four.harris...@googlemail.com four.harris...@googlemail.com articulated: Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS which attempt to make things 'easy' for you (wireless

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Ilya Kazakevich
not be difficult. -- Peter Harrison www.4harrisons.blogspot.com -original message- Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro From: Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com Date: 29/03/2011 21:14 I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Worster
I only know FreeBSD so I can't recommend any other BSD as being easier. And I don't use a windowing system on it. But I've an answer to a question you didn't ask: FreeBSD in VirtualBox a convenient way of learning. It saves a lot of uninteresting messing around. And it allows me to save my

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Al Plant
Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread David Brodbeck
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel,    that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the    car is not started. The fuel

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Polytropon
Allow me to add something here: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:49:55 -0400, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote: FreeBSD in VirtualBox a convenient way of learning. It saves a lot of uninteresting messing around. And it allows me to save my project (by saving VM state), get on with some other work and

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) four.harris...@googlemail.com four.harris...@googlemail.com articulated: Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy it is to achieve things with

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating system -- so I think if it said 1/0 it would be more accurate to say the car would crash. It's uncertain

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating system -- so I think if it said

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-30 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:57:45AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. Mathematically, that

Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Jason Hsu
I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I

RE: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Gary Gatten
-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hsu Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:45 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me.

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me.

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica Chicken of the Sea Simpson can handle it? To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread William Brown
On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica Chicken of the Sea Simpson can handle it? To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Nerius Landys
But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me.  It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking.  I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD.  I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox.  I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica Chicken of the Sea Simpson can handle it? To each

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Gökşin Akdeniz
...I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). There is no distro in BSDworld. BSD family is complete operating system. Linux distros are a combination of a kernel and all the tools necessary

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:45:27 -0500, Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: I want to learn BSD. I may emphasize the word LEARN. You'll see why later on. :-) I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered rather than simpler. The definition of simple is individual, it depends on present knowledge and the ability of thinking (concluding, deriving,

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 2:23:48 PM -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Charlie Kester
On Tue 29 Mar 2011 at 13:59:44 PDT Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:43:47 -0500, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: It might even be useful to have an initial screen that offers options such as Experienced User, Minimal Prompts, Familiar User, Additional Prompts and First Time User, Walk me through it step by step. Even

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:37 -0700, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: To really learn any operating system, you have to approach it on its own terms and be willing to accept that it has its own way of doing things. Its own idioms and paradigms. It has its own history of design

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:00:07 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered rather than simpler. The definition of simple is individual, it depends on

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:23:19 -0400, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Your approach to the problem neglects to factor in each individual's own level of expertise and desires. I can just speak from my individual point of view. I do NOT claim that my experiences and knowledge are universal.

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left and smaller that the tachometer, and it should

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Antonio Olivares
It's the same with computers. No matter what you want to do with it, there IS something you need to learn, either BEFORE you use it, or WHILE you're using it. With some simple means, i. e. using the brain, reading, concluding, understanding, THINKING, you're fine in this regards - because

Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not started. The