In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 386, Issue 9, Message: 5
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and
denying them the
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:28:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
You cannot even get a decent N - protocol wireless device, or even
a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the
rest of the world has had working solutions for 5 years. What the
hell are they waiting for -- the second
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:25:11 +
Frank Shute articulated:
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:28:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
You cannot even get a decent N - protocol wireless device, or even
a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the
rest of the world has had working
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or
laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even
some of them are exempt, now come with N protocol wireless devices.
Instead of devoting so
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:59:58 +0100
C. P. Ghost articulated:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or
laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even
some of them are exempt,
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:48:08 -0400, Jerry wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:59:58 +0100
C. P. Ghost articulated:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or
laptop, with the exception of the bargain
Then I have to portupgrade hplip and dependencies (portupgrade
-r ...) or the portmaster equivalent.
Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is
the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or
just self-flagellation?
--
Jerry ???
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and
denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on
the matter -- e.g. anyone offering such products should be to some
degree held legally
While political and economic issues are important, most of them are not
directly relevant to the freebsd-questions mailing list, and reduce the
usefulness of the list in helping people get answers to questions about
FreeBSD.
Please continue such subjects somewhere else, like private email or
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Oct 29 06:29:33 2011
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400
From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1110270834540.94...@wonkity.com,
Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote:
...
The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up
a personal printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what
from Mark Felder f...@feld.me:
You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would
take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are
instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go
home and do the same with my
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:08:07 + (GMT)
Thomas Mueller articulated:
from Mark Felder f...@feld.me:
You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it
would take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my
print jobs are instantaneous here at work instead of
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:09:05 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Oct 27 16:46:51 2011
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400
From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Fast personal printing
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Mark Felder wrote:
You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would
take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs
are instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to
go home and do the same with my
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Mark Felder wrote:
You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would
take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are
instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:44 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:
A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The program
stops responding to further input until the printer has received the
entire print job. This bothered people enough that they came up with
lpd/lpr, which is
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:36:20 -0400, Jerry wrote:
Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is
the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or
just self-flagellation?
Maybe you can also ask the other way round:
BEFORE I buy a product, I ask:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer
wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware
for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to publish the
control codes for the sheet feeder and the ink
On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Jerry wrote:
Check out MOVED in the ports. There are numerous applications that
are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want someone
to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source way however. The
thought of someone actually being responsible
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:14:26 -0700
Chuck Swiger articulated:
On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Jerry wrote:
Check out MOVED in the ports. There are numerous applications that
are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want
someone to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer
wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware
for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to publish
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net pontificated:
I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. My
drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the local
pusher. I like my device specific codes to come from those best able to
supply
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net
pontificated:
I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop.
My drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the
local
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:17:46 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
P.S. If _anybody_ wants to accuse me of 'name-calling', note well
that Jerry started it, and without any provocation.
Mommy.mommy, come quick. The boy next door is picking on me.
--
Jerry ✌
jerry+f...@seibercom.net
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400, Jerry wrote:
Remember the adage: You get what you pay for.
That's often true - especially in the home consumer
market you mostly get crap, this is what you pay for.
But in some cases, you can't control _what_ you get
just per payment, means: Just because it's
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net supersciliously
ponftificated:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net
pontificated:
I buy my cars from known corporations and
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net
pontificated:
I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop.
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote:
Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and
denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the
matter -- e.g. anyone offering such products should be to some degree
held legally
Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote:
A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The
program stops responding to further input until the printer has
received the entire print job. This bothered people enough that
they came up with lpd/lpr ...
Back when lpr/lpd were first
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:44:59 +0200, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote:
Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and
denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the
matter --
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:28:30 -0700
Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote:
This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some
information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled)
because it may benefit some folks, other than just me.
This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some
information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled)
because it may benefit some folks, other than just me.
I'm impatient by nature, and I don't like CUPS. (I would say that I hate
it, but I don't
From: Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:28 AM
Subject: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some
information
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Because I've never used 8.2 before... or even any 8.x release, I naturally
went into the Handbook and looked for _current_ guidance on setting up
printers. Most of that information was quite helpful, right up to the point
where it started
I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad
lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long
enough that I don't want to wait.
More importantly, CUPS, for me at least, seems to be quite slow.
There's a lng pause after I queue something for
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:42:22 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman wrote:
This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some
information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled)
because it may benefit some folks, other than just me.
I'm impatient by nature,
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications
today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default
system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp
which works with system lp* tools, but has hardcoded
queries
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:17:55 +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications
today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default
system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp
On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote:
In my opinion, CUPS is the Windows way of doing things,
not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I
feel to say it.
Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X
thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote:
In my opinion, CUPS is the Windows way of doing things,
not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I
feel to say it.
Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple
El día Thursday, October 27, 2011 a las 07:00:39PM +0200, Polytropon escribió:
Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X
thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my MacBook -- I just
plug in the USB cable from my printer and hit print -- but I never got
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100
Matthew Seaman articulated:
On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote:
In my opinion, CUPS is the Windows way of doing things,
not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I
feel to say it.
Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an
Quoth Ronald F. Guilmette on Thursday, 27 October 2011:
#!/bin/sh
printer='/dev/ulpt0'
if [ $# = 0 ]; then
cat | /usr/local/libexec/psif $printer
else
for arg in $* ; do
cat $arg |
On Oct 27, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Jerry wrote:
Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. The *nix community has never
gotten printing up to that lever.
Of course Unix has had functional printing; the issue is mostly dumb printers
which can't accept PostScript or at least PCL, and need an OS-specific
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote:
Printing under MS Windows is a breeze.
The *nix community has never
gotten printing up to that lever.
It _had_, past tense. :-)
While there are those who continually
blame the manufacturers, the truth is that any COO, CFO {or any other
In message 20111027143609.60335.qm...@joyce.lan, you wrote:
I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad
lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long
enough that I don't want to wait.
I don't quite understand the issue you are raising john.
Even
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1110270834540.94...@wonkity.com,
Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote:
...
The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up
a personal printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what
will happen if I ever try to print something
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote:
Printing under MS Windows is a breeze.
The *nix community has never
gotten printing up to that lever.
It _had_, past tense. :-)
While there are those who continually
blame
You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would
take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are
instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go
home and do the same with my personal laser.
I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad
lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long
enough that I don't want to wait.
I don't quite understand the issue you are raising john.
$ lpr foo
$ lpr bar
$ lpr baz
It will print the three files in a
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400, Jerry wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote:
Printing under MS Windows is a breeze.
The *nix community has never
gotten printing up to that lever.
It _had_, past
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
There isn't much you can invent on a hammer. :-)
Absolutely true. However, as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, It is
tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as
if it were a nail.
This sort of tunnel vision, at
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Oct 27 16:46:51 2011
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400
From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200
Polytropon articulated
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:39:17 -0400, Jerry wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
There isn't much you can invent on a hammer. :-)
Absolutely true. However, as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, It is
tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
Companies that develop printers want money.
They need to continuously sell printers ...
This seems to be becoming less and less accurate.
It has long been the case that consumer-grade ink-blot printers are
sold below cost -- the money being made by selling
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