Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-23 Thread Ott Köstner
Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: A year, or two, ago, I found such information buried within the Juniper website; however, upon recent attempts at further investigation, both for learning about certifications, and subject matter for this topic, I am unable to locate said information. The historic

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-22 Thread Lowell Gilbert
RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com writes: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:54:24 -0500 Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote: However, commercial routers generally do not use their OS kernel this way -- it is far more common that the kernel does send and receive packets within its

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-22 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Martes G Wigglesworth mar...@mgwigglesworth.com writes: Thanks again for further information on this topic. Where can I find more information this as a research topic. I am talking about Academic/PHD-level information or industry-level information. Academic and commercial information

Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Martes G Wigglesworth
Greetings List. If I am sending to the wrong list, then please let me know what would have been a more appropriate choice. I am attempting to research what is meant when, I saw that Juniper had re-written the network stack from the base freebsd network stack, to what is used in JUNOS. What

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I am attempting to research what is meant when, I saw that Juniper had re-written the network stack from the base freebsd network stack, to what is used in JUNOS. What exactly is meant by this? What is included in the network stack, when mentioned that it was completely re-written? ask

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Martes G Wigglesworth
Thank you very much for the intuitive commentary. Sorry for making the inquiry so specific to Juniper, however, I could not think of another source that would be a good example. I fully understand how the inquiries appeared, however, thanks for answering what you could. The inquiry was meant

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Martes G Wigglesworth mar...@mgwigglesworth.com writes: I am attempting to research what is meant when, I saw that Juniper had re-written the network stack from the base freebsd network stack, to what is used in JUNOS. What exactly is meant by this? What is included in the network stack,

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Thank you very much for the intuitive commentary. Sorry for making the inquiry so specific to Juniper, however, I could not think of another source that would be a good example. I fully understand how the inquiries appeared, however, thanks for answering what you could. can't you simply ask

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting it wasn't made for that. As someone else already mentioned in this thread, supporting hardware offload for forwarding is a major issue. Core routers (or even

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting it wasn't made for that. It can be. I've written portable IP stacks intended for exactly this purpose.

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting it wasn't made for that. It can be. I've written portable IP stacks intended for exactly this Of course it can. i just write that FreeBSD network stack WASN'T

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread RW
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:35:35 -0500 Martes G Wigglesworth mar...@mgwigglesworth.com wrote: However, the intuitive list member response strikes again. Thanks alot for you input. I, as you, can't really figure out why they felt, years ago, that they needed to re-invent the wheel. Bear in

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Martes G Wigglesworth
A year, or two, ago, I found such information buried within the Juniper website; however, upon recent attempts at further investigation, both for learning about certifications, and subject matter for this topic, I am unable to locate said information. The historic Juniper blurbs were very

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Martes G Wigglesworth
Thanks again for further information on this topic. Where can I find more information this as a research topic. I am talking about Academic/PHD-level information or industry-level information. (I mean that I am looking at this from a knowledge-base expansion point of view, so don't filter out

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting it wasn't made for that. It can be. I've written portable IP stacks intended for exactly this Of

Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?)

2008-12-20 Thread RW
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:54:24 -0500 Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote: However, commercial routers generally do not use their OS kernel this way -- it is far more common that the kernel does send and receive packets within its native IP stack. If I'm understanding