On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:43:21 -0300
Mario Lobo articulated:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
Robert Huff articulated:
[Snip]
The socialists still feel they are entitled to something
for nothing.
Jerry;
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:43:21 -0300
Mario Lobo articulated:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
Robert Huff articulated:
[Snip]
The
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:25:31PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote:
Jerry writes:
I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I
like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers,
software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary
reward for their
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can
always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one
interested in monetary compensation would patient anything unless they
were:
⁽¹⁾
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 07:57:34AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Do lawyers not use the law to their clients' advatage -- often abusing it
-- just because they're wrong in the final analysis?
seems you never worked long with lawyers, or you are lucky and have
really fair one. If the word fair
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:37:17 +0100
Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You
can always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well
no one interested in
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can
always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:19 +, David Brodbeck wrote:
Now, it's reasonable to argue that in some fields the duration of that
limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology advances,
but that doesn't mean the concept isn't sound.
It's also debatable if one of today's most
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 09:33:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
Robert Huff articulated:
Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end
is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement
is to give them exclusive rights for a
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:48:30 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:19 +, David Brodbeck wrote:
Now, it's reasonable to argue that in some fields the duration of
that limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology
advances, but that doesn't mean the concept
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
It's also debatable if one of today's most prominent use
of patents is fair: I tell you! I have patents! You are
infringing! I'm not gonna tell you which patents about
what, but I'll sue all your users! Of course, if such
a
be well within patent law to apply for a patent.
The patent office has never been very good at examining software
patents, and I have made a lot of money helping companies document the
prior art not cited in patents that are being asserted against them.
good there are people that helps.
Bad
Wojciech Puchar writes:
Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software.
Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end
is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement
is to give them exclusive rights for a limited time. As long as the
idea
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
Robert Huff articulated:
Wojciech Puchar writes:
Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software.
Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end
is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement
is to
Jerry writes:
I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I
like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers,
software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary
reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work,
sweat and time to
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:25:31 -0400
Robert Huff articulated:
Jerry writes:
I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I
like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers,
software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary
reward for their
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
I never stated than anyone should be denied the right to create or write
basically whatever they so desire; however, if they are going to
piggyback their work on another author or developer's works, then that
individual deserves
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
Robert Huff articulated:
[Snip]
The socialists still feel they are entitled to something
for nothing.
Jerry;
Forgive me for barging in like this but to me, what your sentence
describes
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Rudy dr2...@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
.. A big difference between copyright
and patents is that copyright is constitutional (Article 1, Section 8,
Clause 8), patents are not.
FALSE
Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of trolls patenting open source
technologies after the fact?
The prior art stipulations pretty much kills that off, unless they make a
genuine improvement/change to it to not qualify under that, then they would
be well within patent law to apply for a
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From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
It is possible
From: Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 05:09:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws
Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin per
Let's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there
be some lurking out there) will have expired by then.
True. As most technology that ever microsoft invented is a quickly
reengineered or just stoled things that was already done many years
before in many other systems, very
This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world
of software development.
Yes, agreed, not just software.
The european patent office system pressures examiners towards granting
if they can't quickly find prove the application is already known.
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote:
This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world
of software development.
Yes, agreed, not just software.
The european patent office system pressures examiners towards granting
if they can't
Do lawyers not use the law to their clients' advatage -- often abusing it
-- just because they're wrong in the final analysis?
seems you never worked long with lawyers, or you are lucky and have really
fair one. If the word fair can be used for lawyers at all.
Most often they just want court
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote:
even if not it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in
port tree and require user to accept it.
Probably won't even have to do that. People can download, compile and
run whatever they want on a base operating
It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,
true. Microsoft know it is falling.
People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more dumb
software and hardware.
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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar articulated:
true. Microsoft know it is falling.
People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more
dumb software and hardware.
You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation
of non-Microsoft
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,
having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will
probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses,
and
Hi,
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote:
Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different
environments. The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of
yes.
software
dumb software and hardware.
You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation
of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source?
don't generalize everything. There are good software, bad software, closed
source software, open source software.
There are great open source
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of jb
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:05 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
Hi,
this should not be
FUD. Ignore. They're going the same way as SCO.
T.G.W
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]
on behalf of jb [jb.1234a...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:05 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sean Cavanaugh millenia2000 at hotmail.com writes:
...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/
The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its
ports, the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan.
This should
this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/
The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its ports,
the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan.
ports are
This is a scan of ports with linux keyword:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linuxstype=all
It looks somewhat silly to have to rely on those Linux-whatever things to be
a functional FreeBSD OS ...
still you are talking on ports.
In what base system rely on linux?
It made a first
infringement.
From: Wojciech Puchar [woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:12 PM
To: Traiano Welcome
Cc: jb; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
FUD. Ignore. They're going
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:12 AM
To: Traiano Welcome
Cc: jb; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux
even if not it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in port
tree and require user to accept it.
Probably won't even have to do that. People can download, compile and run
whatever they want on a base operating system,
but as long as the base operating system (FreeBSD in our
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