Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-20 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Obviously, it is _not_ unlawful to 'even open' a file that is 'labelled as private'. Herr Ghost subsequently clarified that he meant 'opened by a person' -- which, if _that_ is an accurate description of the law in

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-20 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: For example, if it is part of the _terms_of_emplyment_ -- which one *agreed* to, by going to work there --that you (the employeee) give permission for the company, or it's agents, to examine any file you store

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-20 Thread krad
You cannot generate a hash without at a certain automated level opening the file. If you can do that, couldn't you generate a hash of the first four bytes to match with hashes of known magic numbers? If you can look at the whole file, surely you can look at just the first four bytes. not

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 00:05:27 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Go to hell. He wants to rename the files that are illegal to ones that aren't. It's not the file names that matter, it's the content. Just assume that students at a university use a file server to store pr0n although the terms of use

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Frank Bonnet
2011 Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) From: Ryan Colemanedi...@d3photography.com Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 00:05:27 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Robert Bonomibon...@mail.r-bonomi.com On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: Wow wow !!! I did not want to start a flame war with my post ... Things for me are clear : In France it's illegal and I have my boss's instruction : - find and delete the files that's all. Bon courage then... A file

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Frank Bonnet
On 07/19/2011 08:55 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: Wow wow !!! I did not want to start a flame war with my post ... Things for me are clear : In France it's illegal and I have my boss's instruction : - find and delete the files

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: In France it's illegal and I have my boss's instruction : - find and delete the files that's all. Bon courage then... A file can not be illegal per se, so you

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Frank Bonnet
On 07/19/2011 11:06 AM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Damien Fleuriotm...@my.gd wrote: On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: In France it's illegal and I have my boss's instruction : - find and delete the files that's all. Bon courage then...

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Lars Eighner
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011, C. P. Ghost wrote: Speaking with my university sysadmin hat on: you're NOT allowed to peek inside personal files of your users, UNLESS the user has waived his/her rights to privacy by explicitly agreeing to the TOS and there's legal language in the TOS that allows staff to

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011, C. P. Ghost wrote: Speaking with my university sysadmin hat on: you're NOT allowed to peek inside personal files of your users, UNLESS the user has waived his/her rights to privacy by

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 7/19/11 12:08 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: To check the magic numbers, you don't need a hash. Just check the magic numbers (where legally allowable). However, a magic number would merely say: this is an MP3, this is a MPEG file etc...: it is just a hint (and a very weak one at that) as to the

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Eric Masson
Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr writes: Hi, We'll see who will win ;-) Check this : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_de_l'informatique_en_France The fact you can do something doesn't mean you're allowed to... -- Moi je trouve qu'il est debile de vouloir detruir kekel ke chose MG Ta

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 7/19/11 11:06 AM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: In France it's illegal and I have my boss's instruction : - find and delete the files that's all. Bon courage then...

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: On 7/19/11 11:06 AM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: In France it's illegal and I have my boss's instruction

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:54:38 +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Delete the files from your file server, next they'll swap them on external drives and USB keys. The only _working_ solution to get rid of the problem is to get rid of the files in question. :-) Maybe it's possible to change the terms

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Jerome Herman
On 19/07/2011 12:54, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 7/19/11 11:06 AM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Damien Fleuriotm...@my.gd wrote: On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: In France it's illegal and I have my boss's instruction : - find and delete

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Robert Bonomi
: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) On 7/19/11 11:06 AM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: In France it's illegal and I have my boss's instruction : - find

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Jerome Herman jher...@dichotomia.fr wrote: The best way to block illegal download before they happen. I found that closing most ports and requiring a login and password before giving access to unknown websites works wonder. (The access to the website is not

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: The poorly written IT TOS of a company can never bypass the law, regardless of anything you agreed to in your company's TOS. male bovine excrement applies. For example, if it is part of the _terms_of_emplyment_ --

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Robert Bonomi
From cpgh...@cordula.ws Tue Jul 19 07:26:51 2011 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:27:01 +0200 Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Tue, Jul 19, 2011

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Damien Fleuriot
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) On 7/19/11 11:06 AM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: On 19 Jul 2011, at 08:15, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: In France it's illegal and I

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Ryan Coleman
On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey look, all your points were moot and easily rebuked. And he just burped... don't feed the the trolls by calling them trolls. Instead, call them Ecky Ecky Ecky F'tang F'tang Olé Biscuitbarrel.

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 7/19/11 3:49 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Do you mean to suggest that an employee _cannot_ give permission to *anyone* (whether it is the employer, or just a friend) to look at any file that is categorized as 'private' ?? If they can give permission for 'someone' to look at a particular

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 19 08:55:07 2011 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:54:32 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) On 7/19/11 1:57 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 7/19/11 5:20 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 19 08:55:07 2011 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:54:32 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) On 7/19/11

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 19 09:05:02 2011 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:03:55 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) On 7/19/11 3:49 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Do you mean

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:45:50 +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: You claim that OP may lawfully open his users' private files. Under your jurisdiction he might, under ours he shan't. A way around such a situation is to PROHIBIT the users (e. g. the employees of a company) to store private files on

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 19 Jul 2011, at 18:25, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:45:50 +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: You claim that OP may lawfully open his users' private files. Under your jurisdiction he might, under ours he shan't. A way around such a situation is to PROHIBIT the

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-19 Thread Bernt Hansson
2011-07-19 13:57, Robert Bonomi skrev: male bovine excrement applies. Only in your jurisdiction. Oh my. making back-ups is unlawful. Yes I guarantee you that _I_, as a system administrator, don't need a court order to do such things. And, if you claim otherwise, you better be

Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Frank Bonnet
Hello Anyone knows an utility that I could pipe to the find command in order to detect video, music, games ... etc files ? I need a tool that could inspect inside files because many users rename those filename to inoffensive ones :-) We are facing a legal problem so I'm a bit in the hurry to

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:55:09 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Anyone knows an utility that I could pipe to the find command in order to detect video, music, games ... etc files ? I need a tool that could inspect inside files because many users rename those filename to inoffensive ones

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Ryan Coleman
Grep. Ryan Coleman On Jul 18, 2011, at 2:55, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: Hello Anyone knows an utility that I could pipe to the find command in order to detect video, music, games ... etc files ? I need a tool that could inspect inside files because many users rename those

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Frank Bonnet
On 07/18/2011 10:10 AM, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:55:09 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Anyone knows an utility that I could pipe to the find command in order to detect video, music, games ... etc files ? I need a tool that could inspect inside files because many users rename

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:38:22 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 07/18/2011 10:10 AM, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:55:09 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Anyone knows an utility that I could pipe to the find command in order to detect video, music, games ... etc files ? I

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Frank Bonnet
On 07/18/2011 10:45 AM, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:38:22 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 07/18/2011 10:10 AM, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:55:09 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Anyone knows an utility that I could pipe to the find command in order to detect video,

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Mon Jul 18 03:55:59 2011 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:55:58 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) On 07/18/2011 10:45 AM, Polytropon wrote: On Mon

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Frank Bonnet
On 07/18/2011 11:44 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Mon Jul 18 03:55:59 2011 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:55:58 +0200 From: Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) On 07/18

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread perryh
Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: snip specific suggestions re awk(1), file(1), find(1), grep(1), etc. All well and good for locating files of a certain format and/or with particular content, but it doesn't address the question of whether a specific copy is legal, i.e. did the user

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
perryh == perryh per...@pluto.rain.com writes: perryh All well and good for locating files of a certain format and/or perryh with particular content, but it doesn't address the question of perryh whether a specific copy is legal, i.e. did the user who put it perryh there have the legal right to

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:01:53 -0700 From: per...@pluto.rain.com Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: snip specific suggestions re awk(1), file(1), find(1), grep(1), etc. All well and good for locating files

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Ryan Coleman
On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:01:53 -0700 From: per...@pluto.rain.com Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: snip specific suggestions re awk(1), file(1), find(1

Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc )

2011-07-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
From edi...@d3photography.com Tue Jul 19 00:05:30 2011 Subject: Re: Tools to find unlegal files ( videos , music etc ) From: Ryan Coleman edi...@d3photography.com Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 00:05:27 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com On Jul 18