Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-02 Thread Bernt Hansson
2012-02-01 19:16, David Jackson skrev: I did not save them, there is really no way to save a copy of them unless I copy them by hand. I take it you are new to FreeBSD. May I introduce you to script man script(1) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-02 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se wrote: 2012-02-01 19:16, David Jackson skrev: I did not save them, there is really no way to save a copy of them unless I copy them by hand. I take it you are new to FreeBSD. May I introduce you to script man script(1)

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-02 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 19:16 01/02/2012, David Jackson wrote: They seem to have failed because they couldn't find the package on the download site. Other errors I got were that the package it had downloaded had an unrecognized format. I did not save them, there is really no way to save a copy of them unless I

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-01 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 11:42 31/01/2012, you wrote: While your offer is made with the best of intentions, I doubt the project would feel able take you up on it. The problem is simply one of security -- while crowd-sourcing package compilation would be a pretty sweet technical solution to much of the scaling and

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-01 Thread David Jackson
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Eduardo Morras nec...@retena.com wrote: At 11:42 31/01/2012, you wrote: While your offer is made with the best of intentions, I doubt the project would feel able take you up on it. The problem is simply one of security -- while crowd-sourcing package

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-01 Thread David Jackson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se wrote: 2012-01-31 01:13, freebsd-lists-erik@**erikosterholm.orgfreebsd-lists-e...@erikosterholm.orgskrev: Oh come on, guys. David is the same person who said that FreeBSD was poorly documented.

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-01 Thread David Jackson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se wrote: 2012-01-30 18:52, David Jackson skrev: I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: *portupgrade -PP -a *portmaster -PP -a *pkg_update All

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-31 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 01:52:19AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:40:50 -0500, David Jackson wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Polytropon wrote: Other things to keep in mind are language settings. One example is OpenOffice which needs to have the language setting

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-31 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 00:45 31/01/2012, RW wrote: Making it work like Ubuntu would need a lot more hardware and a lot more work from port maintainers to support branching the ports tree. At the moment there aren't really enough to maintain one tree. Making a resume/summary of the thread; more hardware, time and

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-31 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 31/01/2012 09:56, Eduardo Morras wrote: Making a resume/summary of the thread; more hardware, time and people are needed to maintain a package system up-to-date. I have a free server (amd64 freebsd8.2p6), if i built all packages with their standard options, that's without make config, Can i

Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread David Jackson
I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: *portupgrade -PP -a *portmaster -PP -a *pkg_update All fail miserably and totally and have left the system in an unuseable state. Why can't FreeBSD just make the package system just

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Bas Smeelen
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: *portupgrade -PP -a *portmaster -PP -a *pkg_update All fail miserably and totally and have left

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread David Jackson
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: *portupgrade -PP -a

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Chad Perrin
You talk a lot about how easy it is to maintain a binary package system. I would like you to convince me that it is easy, keeping in mind that it should remain compatible with the ports system. I am willing to be convinced. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500, David Jackson wrote: I wish to use binary packages and I specifically do not want to compile anything, it tends to take far too long to compile programs and would rather install some packages and have it all work right away. That's often true, especially

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Bas Smeelen
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500 David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Bas Smeelen
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500 David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread David Jackson
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500, David Jackson wrote: I wish to use binary packages and I specifically do not want to compile anything, it tends to take far too long to compile programs and would rather install some

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread RW
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 David Jackson wrote: I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: *portupgrade -PP -a *portmaster -PP -a *pkg_update All fail miserably and totally and have left the system in an

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Bas Smeelen
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:02:44 +0100 Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500 David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: To put it bluntly It's the users fault from my own experience Apple: just fsck off Mcrsft and Oracle and whom they have swallowed so far: just

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 30/01/2012 22:04, David Jackson wrote: Binary packages are a big time saver and are more efficient. Yes, definitely -- this is true for many use cases. Not all by any means, but enough that binary packages are a must-have. It should be easy for FreeBSD to make it easy to install the most

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2012.01.30 18:40, David Jackson wrote: Perhaps that is because the people who want to use packages have given up on FreeBSD. WTF?!? hint: I'm standing right beside you as you're saying this. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Roland Smith
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:49:46PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: Binary packages are a big time saver and are more efficient. More efficient? Depends. In regards of installation, they're often faster. In regards of spped during operation... well, depends. :-) The binary packages are

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread freebsd-lists-erik
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:28:28PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: You talk a lot about how easy it is to maintain a binary package system. I would like you to convince me that it is easy, keeping in mind that it should remain compatible with the ports system. I am willing to be convinced. --

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:40:50 -0500, David Jackson wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500, David Jackson wrote: I wish to use binary packages and I specifically do not want to compile anything, it tends to take far

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Greg Groth
On 1/30/2012 6:13 PM, freebsd-lists-e...@erikosterholm.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:28:28PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: You talk a lot about how easy it is to maintain a binary package system. I would like you to convince me that it is easy, keeping in mind that it should remain