Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
My criteria for procedures are: 1. They should minimize the need for additional software beyond the base system as much as reasonably possible. This means not only that I do not good idea. 3. They should provide for incremental backups. do backed up laptops use FreeBSD or have another

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread herbert langhans
Maybe take a look at lftp, at the mirror option. For basic demands its a compact solution. Cheers herb langhans -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau herbert.raimund[at]gmx.net herbert[at]langhans.com.pl http://www.langhans.com.pl +0048 603 341 441 | jabber:herbs |

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Maybe take a look at lftp, at the mirror option. For basic demands its a compact solution. try doing backup of things with 1 dirs and million files and certainly you will understand you need rsync. ftp protocol is plain bad for that. ___

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:37:17PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:47:40PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I'm setting up a new backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for backing up laptops, which will not

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Hmm, I'm not sure that there is _anything_ that meets _all_ your criteria! rsync meets. It can be a little harder with windoze, with any unix-like OS it will work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:49:39 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: Maybe take a look at lftp, at the mirror option. For basic demands its a compact solution. try doing backup of things with 1 dirs and million files and certainly you will understand you need rsync. In addition to

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread herbert langhans
lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ... Cheers herb langhans On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:22:04AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:49:39 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: Maybe

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ... still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread herbert langhans
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:10:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ... still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows. That's sure. But I think

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 02:37 23/06/2012, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:47:40PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I'm setting up a new backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows. That's sure. But I think it's an option for the laptops what Chad only if $HOME directly or part of it is copied and nothing more ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
a) activate PXE/WOL on bios b) start the laptop via PXE using a freebsd/linux/whatever_os_you_want_to_use c) use dd piped to rsync to make the backups not really efficient but working. ntfsprogs from ports can be helpful. you may use ntfsmount and access NTFS files directly. if backup is

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Warren Block
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012, Eduardo Morras wrote: At 02:37 23/06/2012, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:47:40PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I'm setting up a new backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for backing up

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Jorge Luis Gonzalez
Wojciech Puchar: Hmm, I'm not sure that there is _anything_ that meets _all_ your criteria! rsync meets. It can be a little harder with windoze, with any unix-like OS it will work. rsync, or some front-end to rsync, is indeed probably the best option, though it lacks several of the

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
what exactly deficiences and requirements not met by rsync are you talking about? simplifications of rsync's ability to exclude files or directories, elegant handling of backups' expirations) are sufficient to make it a worthy alternative to naked rsync. The frontend is written in Perl and

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
PXE booting gives a lot of possibilities. I use it to boot Clonezilla to back up Windows systems. That is better than dd, since only used disk blocks ntfsclone is what you need. for sure simpler. For FreeBSD and other open operating systems, sysutils/rsnapshot is a what is exactly

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Jorge Luis Gonzalez
Wojciech Puchar wrote: what exactly deficiences and requirements not met by rsync are you talking about? Perhaps deficiencies was too strong a word. I think the OP required--or perhaps desired--a WOL function. I'm not aware of any such capability in rsync proper. I meant, too, that

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
you mean wake on lan? there is wol tool in ports. proper. I meant, too, that dirvish, which was the alternative that I recommended, presents an elegant and easily-comprehended way to manage rsync's considerable abilities, not that it provides features that can't be managed directly by rsync.

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Thanks for pointing out that there are Windows ports of rsync, and that you provide examples of their use. I'm not sure I would entrust my system backups to them if they come with the disclaimer that you've no idea how stable and usable they are.

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 09:46:02AM -0400, Jorge Luis Gonzalez wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: what exactly deficiences and requirements not met by rsync are you talking about? Perhaps deficiencies was too strong a word. I think the OP required--or perhaps desired--a WOL function. I'm

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:17:36AM +0200, herbert langhans wrote: On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:10:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ... still - any ftp client

Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Actually, a Wake-On-LAN feature is not at all necessary for me in this case. It's a simple enough task to just trigger a backup manually at the command line via a script that automates the process. still. a separate wol tool is available in ports. You may easily construct shell script that

backup tools

2012-06-22 Thread Chad Perrin
I'm setting up a new backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the network by any kind of schedule, so backups will be initiated manually rather than by cron or other scheduled procedures. I'm trying to decide on what tools to use for

Re: backup tools

2012-06-22 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I'm setting up a new backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the network by any kind of schedule, so backups will be initiated manually rather than by cron or other

Re: backup tools

2012-06-22 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:47:40PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I'm setting up a new backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the network by any kind of schedule, so

Re: backup tools

2012-06-22 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'm setting up a new backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the network by any kind of schedule, so backups will be initiated manually rather than by cron or

Re: backup tools

2012-06-22 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:14:34PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'm setting up a new backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the network by any kind of

Re: backup tools

2012-06-22 Thread Marco Antonio Muskus Muskus
Bacula is the tool Enviado desde mi iPod El 22/06/2012, a las 8:31 p.m., Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com escribió: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:14:34PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'm setting up a new backup server