ipfw fwd and ipfw allow

2010-08-22 Thread Victor Sudakov
Colleagues, What tricks do you use if you need to allow a packet and then fwd it (or vice versa)? The search terminates and the packet quits ipfw on fwd as well as on allow. How do I allow a packet and then policy route it? An example ruleset will be appreciated. -- Victor Sudakov,

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread parv
in message 4c70a618.d6d35...@blakemfg.com, wrote Fred Boatwright thusly... The .xinitrc file: xrdb xsetroot -solid gray xterm -geometry +0-100 xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 #exec olvwm #complained about a missing font exec fvwm ... I don't understand why xterm and xconsole are

Re: change the password e-mail account

2010-08-22 Thread jhell
All senders, with this the contents of letter, an urgent need to change the password e-mail account! I think that broke password mailboxes... From my email too, came a letter to the mailing list, but I did not send it :( Bull$hit, You can knock that crap off right now or your no better than

Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)

2010-08-22 Thread jhell
On 08/19/2010 06:05, Glen Barber wrote: On 8/19/10 4:18 AM, Joshua Isom wrote: So you can set up the server but you can't install a client on the server machine? I can - I would prefer not to. Compile a static version of ircII and run it from the object directory without installing it.

Re: ZFS jails

2010-08-22 Thread jhell
On 08/21/2010 23:57, Joe wrote: I am thinking about running zfs on the host for everything except booting the system. I plan to create a 1gb zfs area which I want to use for a jail directory tree. Is this possible? In other words, why would it not be possible ?. Have fun it sounds like you

Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

2010-08-22 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:12:03 +0200, claudiu vasadi claudiu.vas...@gmail.com wrote: I added the corresponding fstab entries and then I deliberately removed the /mnt/2 folder. Sorry for sounding picky, but FreeBSD does not have folders. Those are called directories. Please try to use the correct

Re: Parklogic making a mess

2010-08-22 Thread Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
On 22.08.2010 00:48, Bruce Cran wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:35:57 +0200 Svein Skogen sv...@stillbilde.net wrote: Anybody else seem to get these header-falsified messages lately: I think anyone who posts to freebsd-questions is probably getting them. I contacted parklogic and got a

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Marc Fonvieille
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 07:41:49PM -0700, Fred Boatwright wrote: Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote: Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log First notes: You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1. Something odd is going on with

Re: Parklogic making a mess

2010-08-22 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:48:50PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:35:57 +0200 Svein Skogen sv...@stillbilde.net wrote: Anybody else seem to get these header-falsified messages lately: I think anyone who posts to freebsd-questions is probably getting them. I contacted

Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

2010-08-22 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:12:03 +0200, claudiu vasadi claudiu.vas...@gmail.com wrote: What happened when a secondary hdd cannot be mounted at boot ? From experience I know the OS drops to single user mode, which I find incredibly stupid because a non-OS hdd should not stop the OS from booting up

Re: Customizable wall clock for several time zones

2010-08-22 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:05:12 -0500, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: /usr/ports/deskutils/google-gadgets Around the World The dependencies are scaring me off. :-/ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

Re: Customizable wall clock for several time zones

2010-08-22 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:51:52 +0200, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: Yes, you can do that and it works like a charm: #!/bin/sh # display multiple xclock(1)s side by side for TIMEZONE in ZONE1 ZONE2 ZONE3 ... do env TZ=$TIMEZONE xclock done (replace ZONE1, ZONE2,

Re: anybody onlist know about KVM stuff?

2010-08-22 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 04:13:17PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 06:37:36AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote: On 8/20/2010 7:07 PM, Gary Kline wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 06:45:11PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Gary

perl p5-Gtk2: FileChooser hangs infinitely

2010-08-22 Thread Ross
Hi, all. Could you please test this script (requires x11-toolkits/p5-Gtk2): - #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use Gtk2 -init; my $filechooser = Gtk2::FileChooserButton-new(Choose a file, 'open'); print XXX\n; - It should just print XXX and exit. On my system (8.1-STABLE/amd64) it never

Linux DRI as software renderer

2010-08-22 Thread David DEMELIER
Hi, I have a trouble running enemy-territory (from port) using Linux emulation. I enabled the WITHOUT_NOUVEAU knob to get a full hardware GLX with my radeon hd4330 mobility and it works well for native games such as teeworlds, UrbanTerror and so on. The problem is enemy-territory and linux games

Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

2010-08-22 Thread claudiu vasadi
ok, so I will make a secondary mount script that would check and mount any non-OS-related mp's. This would include setting all non-OS mp's to noauto in fstab and creating a secondary script to read fstab, check if all is in order and finally mount, or exit in error. This way, the OS sticks to

Re: Realtek 8139/8201L Ethernet PHY driver

2010-08-22 Thread Roland Smith
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Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

2010-08-22 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:27:02 +0200, claudiu vasadi claudiu.vas...@gmail.com wrote: ok, so I will make a secondary mount script that would check and mount any non-OS-related mp's. This would include setting all non-OS mp's to noauto in fstab and creating a secondary script to read fstab,

Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

2010-08-22 Thread claudiu vasadi
I will write a rc.d script. It seems like the correct way to go. Manual mount is out of the question :) I will e-mail my end product ps: I know it's a dir and not a folder ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Linux DRI as software renderer

2010-08-22 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:24:58 +0200 David DEMELIER wrote: I don't know then how to enable hardware acceleration with the linux enemy-territory port. I have installed graphics/linux-f10-dri Please give a try to graphics/linux-dri74 instead of graphics/linux-f10-dri. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Tijl Coosemans
On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote: Eitan Adler wrote: The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected grid and mouse pointer.  A .xinitrc file is supposed to start a window

Re: Linux DRI as software renderer

2010-08-22 Thread David Demelier
On 22/08/2010 11:48, Boris Samorodov wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:24:58 +0200 David DEMELIER wrote: I don't know then how to enable hardware acceleration with the linux enemy-territory port. I have installed graphics/linux-f10-dri Please give a try to graphics/linux-dri74 instead of

Re: meory file system

2010-08-22 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com writes: I am running 8.1. under /dev, I don't see /dev/md0, /dev/md0 won't show up until you actually run mdconfig. so i am trying to add following lines in kernel file and got error messages: options MFS #Memory Filesystem The correct line is

Fwd: Hast + ZFS + Postgresql on FreeBSD 8.1

2010-08-22 Thread Omer Faruk SEN
-- Forwarded message -- From: Omer Faruk SEN omerf...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:57 PM Subject: Hast + ZFS + Postgresql on FreeBSD 8.1 To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Hi, Is there any one here in this list tried this combo on FreeBSD 8.1 ? I really would

Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/22/10 3:19 AM, jhell wrote: On 08/19/2010 06:05, Glen Barber wrote: On 8/19/10 4:18 AM, Joshua Isom wrote: So you can set up the server but you can't install a client on the server machine? I can - I would prefer not to. Compile a static version of ircII and run it from the object

Re: ZFS jails

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/21/10 11:57 PM, Joe wrote: I am thinking about running zfs on the host for everything except booting the system. I plan to create a 1gb zfs area which I want to use for a jail directory tree. Is this possible? Yep. # zfs create -o quota=1G tank/usr/jail Regards, -- Glen Barber

New bwn driver

2010-08-22 Thread Steven Friedrich
I have an HP pavilion zd825us which has a Broadcom ethernet that appears to be supported by the new bwn driver. I have, for several years now, been using the NDIS driver based on Project Evil. Since bwn came out in 8.1, I tried it and it pretty much works but I get a couple errors sporadically.

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com articulated: Those would be the nVidia binary drivers. There's also x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv. I avoid nVidia cards, so someone else will have to comment on those. I came to this party late, so please excuse me if

Re: How to restore a text file from UFS??

2010-08-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:17:00 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: For future reference; you should never edit files in /etc/ directly. If you want ot edit files in /etc or /usr/local/etc, first copy them to a directory in your $HOME, put them under revision control and then edit them

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Fred Boatwright
Marc Fonvieille wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 07:41:49PM -0700, Fred Boatwright wrote: Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote: Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log First notes: You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1.

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Fred Boatwright
Tijl Coosemans wrote: On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote: Eitan Adler wrote: The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected grid and mouse pointer.  A .xinitrc file

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Fred Boatwright
Jerry wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com articulated: Those would be the nVidia binary drivers. There's also x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv. I avoid nVidia cards, so someone else will have to comment on those. I came to this party late, so

Re: How to restore a text file from UFS??

2010-08-22 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 03:14:58PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:17:00 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: For future reference; you should never edit files in /etc/ directly. If you want ot edit files in /etc or /usr/local/etc, first copy them to a directory in

msmtp/comcast

2010-08-22 Thread Rem P Roberti
Anyone using msmtp with Comcast? I have in the past used this in conjunction with Mutt, but can't get it to work now. Here is my .msmtprc: accountdefault host smtp.comcast.net from my email address authon user user name password my passwrd port587

Re: Any awk gurus on the list?

2010-08-22 Thread Wayne Sierke
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 12:12 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: I'm trying to figure out how to use awk to parse values from a string of unknown length and unknown fields using awk, from within a shell script, and write those values to a file in a certain order. Here's a typical string that I want

zpool bootfs property

2010-08-22 Thread Joshua Isom
I was just able to change my zfs boot pool to raid0 by resetting the bootfs property, adding the slice, and setting it back. I was able to find a webpage talking about importing FreeBSD zfs pools into opensolaris and having problems with disk management because of the bootfs property. With

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:42:35 -0700 Fred Boatwright f...@blakemfg.com articulated: Hi Jerry, I do not have the driver you suggest on the CD. I have: nividia-driver nividia-driver-173 nividia-driver-71 nividia-driver-96 Which should be used? I was not able to find the version you

HPC under FreeBSD

2010-08-22 Thread Eduardo
Hello: Is the freebsd-hpc list the correct one to discuss about hpc? It appears to be disabled. Or are freebsd-cluster, freebsd-performance? Who do i talk to create a directory in ports with all HPC software for FreeBSD? Can it be done using a directory with links to the real category? Who

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Tijl Coosemans
On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote: The .xinitrc file: xrdb xsetroot -solid gray xterm -geometry +0-100 xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 #exec olvwm #complained about a missing font exec fvwm Is this file executable? signature.asc Description: This is a

Re: HPC under FreeBSD

2010-08-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:07:25 +0200 Eduardo emor...@xroff.net wrote: Who can point me on the HPC status? Brooks Davis (brooks at freebsd.org) gave a talk at EuroBSDCon (http://www.ukuug.org/events/eurobsdcon2009/talks/) and AsiaBSDCon recently about porting HPC tools to FreeBSD, so you might

Re: ZFS jails

2010-08-22 Thread krad
On 22 August 2010 13:49, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/21/10 11:57 PM, Joe wrote: I am thinking about running zfs on the host for everything except booting the system. I plan to create a 1gb zfs area which I want to use for a jail directory tree. Is this possible?

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Frank Shute
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 07:19:36PM +0200, Tijl Coosemans wrote: On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote: The .xinitrc file: xrdb xsetroot -solid gray xterm -geometry +0-100 xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 #exec olvwm #complained about a missing font exec

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Fred Boatwright
Frank Shute wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 07:19:36PM +0200, Tijl Coosemans wrote: On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote: The .xinitrc file: xrdb xsetroot -solid gray xterm -geometry +0-100 xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 #exec olvwm #complained

Re: anybody onlist know about KVM stuff?

2010-08-22 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 01:29:42PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: no X11, but i do need it. is there a way of getting, say, [c]twm configured remotely? I don't think you have to. You just have to tell the X programs you want to run on the server to connect to the X server on the

Re: anybody onlist know about KVM stuff?

2010-08-22 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:34:46AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 04:13:17PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 06:37:36AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote: On 8/20/2010 7:07 PM, Gary Kline wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 06:45:11PM -0500, Adam Vande More

Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Rem P Roberti
I just acquired an IBM Thinkpad R51 on which I have installed 8.1 Release. I have scoured the handbook and tried a number of different combinations in /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf to get the wireless working, but so far with no luck. Can anyone give me a heads up on getting wireless

Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread Garry
This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this as twaddle. Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.

Re: Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
OS X is based on Darwin which was, as I understand it, inspired by BSD but not specifically FreeBSD; most like was Net or OpenBSD. But, you can say the same about Windows, Mac OS and X11 because they were all inspired by Xerox PARC... Or a brand of tires because they look a lot like another

Re: Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
It's a lot like complaining that your bull is counterproductive because it isn't a cow and therefore won't yield milk. If one's definition of productive is expands the amount of software in the universe that is non-proprietary, then perhaps the BSD license is non-productive -- but that was

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/22/10 8:12 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: I just acquired an IBM Thinkpad R51 on which I have installed 8.1 Release. I have scoured the handbook and tried a number of different combinations in /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf to get the wireless working, but so far with no luck. Can anyone

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/22/10 10:47 PM, Glen Barber wrote: particularly where you configure wlan0 as the interface in rc.conf - pre-8.0-RELEASE, the convention was to use: ifconfig_ath0=DHCP where iwn0 was an Atheros-based chipset. The new way is to set the following in rc.conf: Of course, iwn0 is a

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Rem P Roberti
On 8/22/10 8:12 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: I just acquired an IBM Thinkpad R51 on which I have installed 8.1 Release. I have scoured the handbook and tried a number of different combinations in /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf to get the wireless working, but so far with no luck. Can

Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)

2010-08-22 Thread jhell
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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/22/10 11:00 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: Thanks for your help so far. Yes, I have looked at the handbook section on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an ancient Compaq Presario (6GB HD!) and was able to configure the Atheros wireless pci card so that the computer works

Re: Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread David Kelly
On Aug 22, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Garry wrote: This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this as twaddle. Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get much off

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Rob Byrnes
On 23 August 2010 13:14, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/22/10 11:00 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: Thanks for your help so far.  Yes, I have looked at the handbook section on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an ancient Compaq Presario (6GB HD!) and was able to

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/22/10 11:21 PM, Rob Byrnes wrote: [snip] echo 'legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1' /boot/loader.conf echo 'if_iwi_load=YES' /boot/loader.conf echo 'iwi_bss_load=YES' /boot/loader.conf echo 'iwi_ibss_load=YES' /boot/loader.conf echo

Re: Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Garry wrote: This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this as twaddle. Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Rem P Roberti
On 8/22/10 11:00 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: Thanks for your help so far. Yes, I have looked at the handbook section on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an ancient Compaq Presario (6GB HD!) and was able to configure the Atheros wireless pci card so that the computer works

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/22/10 11:28 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: Yep, it was a typo. OK...iwi0 is now showing up in the ifconfig output. I shall make the (hopefully) appropriate entries in /etc/rc.conf and see what happens. Good to hear. Good luck! Regards, -- Glen Barber

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Outback Dingo
good, keep going... youll get there On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Rem P Roberti remeg...@comcast.netwrote: On 8/22/10 11:00 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: Thanks for your help so far. Yes, I have looked at the handbook section on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Rem P Roberti
On 8/22/10 11:28 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: Yep, it was a typo. OK...iwi0 is now showing up in the ifconfig output. I shall make the (hopefully) appropriate entries in /etc/rc.conf and see what happens. Good to hear. Good luck! Regards, OK...here's what is happening now. I have put these

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/22/10 11:51 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote: OK...here's what is happening now. I have put these entries into /etc/rc.conf: wlans_iwi0=wlan0 ifconfig_wlan0=WPA DHCP when I booted up I could see from the wireless beacon indicator that something was happening. But I kept getting this

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Rem P Roberti
In what timeframe from the boot? I suspect WPA was still in the authentication process. My Toshiba's wireless card would take a few seconds (roughly 10) before authenticating. You are no doubt right...WPA was probably still in the authentication process. Clearly, everything is working

Re: Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread Garance A Drosehn
At 1:25 AM +0100 8/23/10, Garry wrote: Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD. Mac OS is the Mach kernel, plus a userland and unix

Re: Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Garry wrote: Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD. If the kernel is the basis of an OS,

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/23/10 12:11 AM, Rem P Roberti wrote: In what timeframe from the boot? I suspect WPA was still in the authentication process. My Toshiba's wireless card would take a few seconds (roughly 10) before authenticating. You are no doubt right...WPA was probably still in the authentication

Re: Thinkpad Wireless

2010-08-22 Thread Outback Dingo
have you considered postfix running in satellite more or smart host ? On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Rem P Roberti remeg...@comcast.netwrote: In what timeframe from the boot? I suspect WPA was still in the authentication process. My Toshiba's wireless card would take a few seconds

Re: well, i guess it's time to ask.....

2010-08-22 Thread Roland Smith
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Re: Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread Joshua Isom
On 8/22/2010 7:25 PM, Garry wrote: Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD. Oh the corny quote, If you love something set it free, if