Re: Vivaldi Tablet

2012-03-28 Thread Open Slate
I position a tablet as a consumer device. Web surfing, watching video, a little texting. A student slate must support creativity, especially writing. At the same time I see the qwerty keyboard as an obstacle, hard to learn, impossible to use while holding the slate. I want HWR as good as the

need info builing ports properly

2012-03-28 Thread icemac
Hi, I am fairly new to fbsd and not a linux user, just windows and osx. My first install was version 7.1 for a short while and had 7.2, but only just came back to it with 9.0-r (amd64). I have a bit of an issue with the port system and was hoping to get some basic info as to what i might be

Re: need info builing ports properly

2012-03-28 Thread Mark Felder
My first suggestion is to begin using portmaster which can be found here: /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster My second suggestion is to please never ever ever mess with CFLAGS on FreeBSD. You can get away with it on some Linux distros, but FreeBSD strongly discourages it. My third

Re: need info builing ports properly

2012-03-28 Thread icemac
On 03/28/12 16:22, Mark Felder wrote: My first suggestion is to begin using portmaster which can be found here: /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster My second suggestion is to please never ever ever mess with CFLAGS on FreeBSD. You can get away with it on some Linux distros, but FreeBSD strongly

Re: Vivaldi Tablet

2012-03-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:05:19PM -1000, Open Slate wrote: I position a tablet as a consumer device. Web surfing, watching video, a little texting. A student slate must support creativity, especially writing. At the same time I see the qwerty keyboard as an obstacle, hard to learn,

Re: need info builing ports properly

2012-03-28 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, icemac wrote: I only ever had this option set CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe Setting that in make.conf is counterproductive. First, those are the defaults, so they don't improve anything. Second, that overrides settings made elsewhere. Consider a port like

Re: need info builing ports properly

2012-03-28 Thread icemac
On 03/28/12 17:30, Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, icemac wrote: I only ever had this option set CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe Setting that in make.conf is counterproductive. First, those are the defaults, so they don't improve anything. Second, that overrides settings

Re: need info builing ports properly

2012-03-28 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 28/03/2012 15:40, icemac wrote: Thanks for your quick reply, but can you clarify what you mean about not messing with the CFLAGS? I mean I had only ever used that one setting taken from the example in /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf, and the only experimentation i did is either with it

Re: need info builing ports properly

2012-03-28 Thread icemac
On 03/28/12 18:52, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 28/03/2012 15:40, icemac wrote: At the moment my /etc/make.conf just has 1 line with the Perl version entry, should i always leave cflags out? I think that not setting CLFAGS would be sensible. There's plenty of other stuff you can fiddle with in

Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-03-28 Thread Mark Felder
Alright guys, I'm at the end of my rope here. For those that haven't seen my previous emails here's the (not so) quick breakdown: Overview: FreeBSD ?? - 7.4 never crash FreeBSD 8.0 - 8.2 crashes FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested (Sorry, not possible in our production at this time,

Re: Vivaldi Tablet

2012-03-28 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:19:54 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: Vivaldi Tablet To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:05:19PM -1000,

Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-03-28 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi, * have you filed a PR? * is the crash easily reproducable? * are you able to boot some ramdisk-only FreeBSD-8.2 images (eg create a ramdisk image using nanobsd?) and do some stress testing inside that? It sounds like you've established it's a storage issue, or at least interrupt handling for

Re: Vivaldi Tablet

2012-03-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:24:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and-peck on a QWERTY keyboard, but

Re: Vivaldi Tablet

2012-03-28 Thread fish . kungfu
The Twiddler 2.1 keyboard is a good example of a chorded keyboard. It became popular with wearable computers where the user wore a heads-up augmented reality type display. Cheers...Fish 28.03.12, 19:25, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:24:51PM -0700, Gary Kline

Re: Vivaldi Tablet

2012-03-28 Thread Mike Jeays
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:24:40 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:24:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an obstacle than using a

Re: Vivaldi Tablet

2012-03-28 Thread Chris Hill
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Mike Jeays wrote: I saw a demo of a device about 30 years ago that you held in one hand. It had about five buttons positioned under your fingers, and various combinations would produce all the regular characters. Sounds like learning to play the saxophone. -- Chris Hill

Re: need info builing ports properly

2012-03-28 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, icemac wrote: I wasn't after fiddling or optimizing much and just want to to build ports i need and have them as reliable and stable as possibile, but i misunderstood the function of that setting in make.conf. I actually had thought that that was required and in turn