Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2008-01-25 Thread Colin Brace
Victor, If you are talking about human language translation, which I gather you are, then the amount of effort you will need to spend on developing and/or acquiring linguistic resources and/or building interfaces for linguists to code dictionaries and grammars, and/or interfaces for editors to

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2008-01-25 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 02:40:28PM -0400, Victor Subervi wrote: BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: ?translation software?java 2,350,000 hits ?translation software??c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor That's an indication of what people

Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Frank Staals
Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Java not low level? It's a scripting lang? Doesn't compile? C is easy enough. C++ is tough but would be necessary. What about C#? Forget it? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:02 PM, Frank Staals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments I would use a combination

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:28 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Ivan Voras
Victor Subervi wrote: I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). That's almost always the *worst* reason for choosing a language. On similar basis, you might want to do it in PHP since a lot of people use

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the proper

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Ivan Voras
Victor Subervi wrote: I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? It's native - it's the GNU c++ compiler (g++). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Yuck. Steering clear of Java ... :) Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Perfect. Yet another reason to choose c++ Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:14 PM, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yuck. Steering clear of Java ... :) Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point.

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now,

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java also. As a side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need to be dismistified: I don't know if I am the exception but I

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Also, that email address for Henry bounced :-} Could you check it? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:31 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Forgot to

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On 11:57:01 Dec 31, Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I don't think so. I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it was only to keep a ref to some

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Thanks for both :) Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:50 PM, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread RW
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. If I were you, I'd look into what languages

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Now that's the smartest suggestion yet! Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:56 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
Annoted :) On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi writes: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: ¨translation software¨java 2,350,000 hits ¨translation software¨¨c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi writes: Yeah, this is what happens

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Victor Subervi
BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: ¨translation software¨java 2,350,000 hits ¨translation software¨¨c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor On 12/31/07, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Annoted :) On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread neal
On Monday 31 December 2007, Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will

Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread cpghost
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:28:35 +0800 Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other