On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 05:11:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you can arrive
at a conclusion through your own research then your reasonably clear.
For example, the drivers are closed source but the hardware itself is an
entirely separate
I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure,
and moderation would just set a precedent for it's someone else's job.
moderation is needed. Things like community social pressure
simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and louder
will takeover,
and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's
job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else.
As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of
moderation, it might not be a *complete* disaster.
of course it should be you
There are many constructive ways of improving FreeBSD. You have already
submitted 7 bug reports in out bug database. If you think you can help
of which at least 2 was completely ignored;) (no even response)
by submitting *more* bug reports, testing FreeBSD patches, developing
new FreeBSD
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:49:57PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing
the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is
freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the
all-knowing handbook
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:06:58 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Now i'm using FreeBSD and it got better each version. Really better,
not better.
And i really want to keep it that way, because there is no alternative
now!
There are many constructive ways of
Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
above, is verboten.
Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is
patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be
no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms
used in the
base system: nothing appropriate
Maybe what we need isn't for you to keep complaining about 70% of the
very helpful list traffic,
helpful for whom?
thus producing another 5% of the list traffic
yourself (directly, and indirectly through annoyed responses to you), but
for someone to come
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:54 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Most of them don't.
Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says I'm a Windows
user, but I'm thinking about trying out FreeBSD, you immediately assume
the person doesn't want to learn without bothering to read any
can this thread be closed now?
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:49:43 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
I think that can be handled quite easily by community social
pressure, and moderation would just set a precedent for it's
someone else's job.
moderation is needed. Things like community social
freebsd-questions User questions and technical support
Exactly. Note, however, that 'user questions' means something very
different from what you are pushing to convince everybody else :-)
so please start to answer every possible question. for example problems
with windows ftp
Most of them don't.
Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says I'm a Windows
user, but I'm thinking about trying out FreeBSD, you immediately assume
the person doesn't want to learn without bothering to read any further, I
yes. because if this person would like, he/she would read
I.e. freebsd-quesitions is for all FreeBSD-related questions, not only
questions about the FreeBSD base system.
from handbook:
freebsd-questions User questions and technical support
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It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting
moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic!
Group topic? As far as I can tell, the topic is user questions
about FreeBSD
(according to http://lists.freebsd.org/ and the List-Id header). Where
exactly is
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only
discussing the base-system already exists (probably stable or
arch). This is freebsd questions- and the nature of the list
according to
moderation is needed. Things like community social pressure
simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and
louder will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not.
Yes, and you have gone a long way in proving just that point. Your
narrow minded, inability to accept anyone
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 19:21 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than
grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and
experience in how *nix in general
That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated.
No there isn't.
The freebsd-newbies list has been merged with freebsd-questions for
several years now.
You could have easily verified this by following the link to:
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies
When I say that FreeBSD is *not* a bunch elitist bastards and we do
*not* like driving users away, I am aware of how serious it is to 'speak
on behalf of the entire FreeBSD team'
I speak only for myself. As i already wrote, i don't want FreeBSD to be
turned into mainstream crap, because there
Why not send them to something like DesktopBSD or PC-BSD, or even
FreeSBIE (if that project is still around)? If they go to some chintzy
user-obsequious Linux distribution like PCLinuxOS first, they'll just
have more stuff to unlearn *if* it ever occurs to them to give some BSD
Unix variant a
Heh. The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong. The
difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask
for, and the good customers what they actually need
which cannot be done.
you choose idiots or good customers, as it's effectively 2 market niches.
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 02:16 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
above, is verboten.
Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is
patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be
no problem
I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing
the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is
freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the
all-knowing handbook IS for newbies, people who probably won't
understand the difference
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:49 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure,
and moderation would just set a precedent for it's someone else's job.
moderation is needed. Things like community social pressure
simply doesn't. Like with
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 02:11 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 05:11:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you can arrive
at a conclusion through your own research then your reasonably clear.
For example, the drivers are
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:49:43PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure,
and moderation would just set a precedent for it's someone else's job.
moderation is needed. Things like community social pressure simply
doesn't. Like
That might be a valid concern if your notion of off topic didn't
include things that pretty much everyone else seems to think is on topic
enough to fit into this list.
do we have to start deciding what's on-topic by voting?
congratulations
i don't mean moderation like removing one
Actually, Pentium M processors may well be the best x86-compatible CPUs
of their generation -- low power consumption relative to the competition,
and the best performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though,
certainly sucks.
as having pentium-M laptop and pentium-4 server i can only
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:06:52 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
I.e. freebsd-quesitions is for all FreeBSD-related questions, not
only questions about the FreeBSD base system.
from handbook:
freebsd-questions User questions and technical support
Exactly.
i don't think that has to happen at all.
personally i think self-moderation is best, followed by moderation
(which i haven't found to be a bad thing).
here the former seems to be dominant because of the quality of people
on the list, so it is quite sufficient.
this quality gets down. not
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:04:52 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
bad (TM).
No -- at *any* level:
you are wrong.
for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees
ktalk about your company.
That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement.
There are users on this list who would love to see users of FBSD bound
by an NDA so that they could not say anything these self appointed
CENSORS consider verboten.
you are excellent at messing things up.
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:12:16 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
freebsd-questions User questions and technical support
Exactly. Note, however, that 'user questions' means something very
different from what you are pushing to convince everybody else :-)
so
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's
job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else.
As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of
moderation,
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:16:23PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting
moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic!
Group topic? As far as I can tell, the topic is user questions
about FreeBSD
Apparently you
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:14:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 19:21 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than
grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:13:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated.
No there isn't.
The freebsd-newbies list has been merged with freebsd-questions for
several years now.
You could have easily verified this by following the
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:01PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
That might be a valid concern if your notion of off topic didn't
include things that pretty much everyone else seems to think is on topic
enough to fit into this list.
do we have to start deciding what's on-topic by voting?
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:49 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing
the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is
freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the
all-knowing handbook IS for
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:44:41PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
moderation is needed. Things like community social pressure
simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and
louder will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not.
Yes, and you have gone a long way in
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:06:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
base system: nothing appropriate
Maybe what we need isn't for you to keep complaining about 70% of the
very helpful list traffic,
helpful for whom?
thus producing another 5% of the list traffic
yourself (directly, and
On Monday 15 December 2008 11:14:08 Chad Perrin wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that
moderator's job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG.
NOTHING else.
As long as neither you,
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
above, is verboten.
Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is
patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be
no
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:08:18PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Actually, Pentium M processors may well be the best x86-compatible CPUs
of their generation -- low power consumption relative to the competition,
and the best performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though,
certainly
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:27:30PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
If you have done your own research then the algorithms wouldn't
necessarily be the same- they'd nearly certainly be different, wouldn't
they? So isn't that the basis for the patent? A patent is a registration
of an idea. Two different
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:34:20AM -0900, Beech Rintoul wrote:
On Monday 15 December 2008 11:14:08 Chad Perrin wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that
moderator's job will be just removing posts
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:25:29 -0500
Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote:
Actually, I like your reference to 'Democracy'. Coming from a
socialist, the very thought of an open discussion on any matter that
does not fit in your narrow parameters would seem objectionable.
there are some serious problems
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
above, is verboten.
Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is
patented, but
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:47 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:27:30PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
If you have done your own research then the algorithms wouldn't
necessarily be the same- they'd nearly certainly be different, wouldn't
they? So isn't that the basis for the
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:34:20 -0900
Beech Rintoul be...@freebsd.org wrote:
Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list.
i agree too at this point and apologize for some of my
earlier contributions.
it is clear there will probably be no resolution between the engaging
parties of which
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:03 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement.
There are users on this list who would love to see users of FBSD
bound by an NDA so that they could not say anything these self
So, we end up splitting the potential FreeBSD users between Ubuntu and
Fedora with more of them going to Ubuntu because not quite as many become
very nice. after trying FreeBSD they WILL get back to linux (and then
windows) quickly.
Those who REALLY know they need something different, like
Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list. Please take this to
freebsd-chat or off list.
OK i wont post on that anymore.
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Chad Perrin wrote:
Tell that to the uncountable hordes of dedicated Linux users who don't
know what they're missing and, as such, see no reason to even give
FreeBSD a try.
Many Linux people I know still think FreeBSD SMP sucks, that combined
with a lack of journaling filesystem on BSD gives
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:13:38PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
So, we end up splitting the potential FreeBSD users between Ubuntu and
Fedora with more of them going to Ubuntu because not quite as many become
very nice. after trying FreeBSD they WILL get back to linux (and then
windows)
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:22:31PM -0800, Brian Whalen wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
Tell that to the uncountable hordes of dedicated Linux users who don't
know what they're missing and, as such, see no reason to even give
FreeBSD a try.
Many Linux people I know still think FreeBSD SMP
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:07:36AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
above, is verboten.
Er, doesn't it
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 16:23 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:07:36AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 20:04 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this
i don't discourage beginners that want to learn.
Most of them don't.
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Jerry wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware.
this is normal -
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.
exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions
others) are willing to buy
If we want FreeBSD to grow to where vendors pick up obscure and
not-so-obscure
devices and support it more than it is now, we need publicity. If we need
publicity, we need marketing types. If we need marketing types, we need to
pay them, and we need to put up with them, and even be nice
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 09:32 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:46:49PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote:
snip
IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement,
it has to improve its hardware support.
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they were...
the difference is that FreeBSD is free software.
or is not?
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they were...
the difference is that FreeBSD is free software.
or is not?
How is that relevant?
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Matthew Seaman
m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
Glen Barber wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 18:46 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:47:23PM -0800, prad wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush
others' beneath his heel. Try
are thousands of hardware bugs.
with secret drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of
their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs.
Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going
most high end popular products are just buggy. as long
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 02:44 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general
ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java
is the best programming language around because that's what most
programmers use and have some
related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it because
they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if they
don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after all,
employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:37 -0800, prad wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +1000
Da Rock rock_on_the_...@comcen.com.au wrote:
The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO
work in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
i'm not so sure that is
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:05:26 +1000
Da Rock rock_on_the_...@comcen.com.au wrote:
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.
exactly what i wrote. the
Glen Barber wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they were...
the difference is that FreeBSD is free software.
or is not?
How is that relevant?
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 22:46 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all?
no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about:
- KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody)
BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except
with secret drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of
their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs.
Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going
on. It explains why cpu usage can go up some times during use.
another example. Part of
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 19:15 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff,
FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with
because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now.
Its better at providing window$
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 21:35 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware.
this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers
do make support for it.
what is common today isn't normal.
I honestly have no idea what you are
Da Rock writes:
I'm sorry, but the only image I could conjure up for a
pointy-haired boss was Bart Simpson in a suit (or Lisa as
President) :D
Do you have another image in mind?
You are obviously not familiar with the comic strip Dilbert
written by Scott Adams. Please fix
On 12 dec 2008, at 20:32, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware
specs
isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important.
My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very
dangerous
precedent if the solution
On 12 dec 2008, at 21:54, dick hoogendijk wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true
reason they do this.
With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy
Your talking about things without providing any evidence as usual.
It's just bollocks. NVidia has fabulous 3dgraphics cards and their
drivers work very very well. At least they do on solaris (32/64bit).
...and Mac OSX and Linux and even Windows
well is said too much at least compared to
SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks
moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers lame
but all
that is off topic.
Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS.
I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one
wants
it to do isn't a FreeBSD
Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS.
I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants
it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic.
exactly...
when is something part of FBSD and when not?
what is base system
all the ports aren't?
port system (script and Makefiles) are part of
Julien Cigar(jci...@ulb.ac.be)@2008.12.11 16:23:04 +0100:
except when i forgot to unmount - yep, the problem lies here, it's so
natural to just unplug an USB device
That's not an excuse for the kernel panic. The real problem is the
kernel code rot. They can't fix the problem because the code
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really
idiots) make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less
work.
exactly!
proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this
answer after looking ..
freebsd - the power to serve
Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies
doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers,
FTP servers, web
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than
grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and
experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier
(for MIB lovers: noisy
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
bad (TM).
No -- at *any* level:
you are wrong.
for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees
ktalk about your company.
That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement.
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On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:26:21PM -0800, prad wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I'll
provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe
you'll be able to understand my point ...
good illustrative examples, chad!
i
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:38:29PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
without moderation it's a mess.
I've seen more mess in response to your entirely unwelcoming manner than
ever in response to anything you call off topic in some of your
examples.
It's nice people like to help other people,
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:49:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
you're reply to another post:
If you wish you can call me fuhrer ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly
got too far.
:D
good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm.
i think it's a problem of fear about past
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:04:18PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this
i don't discourage beginners that want to learn.
Most of them don't.
Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says I'm a Windows
user, but I'm
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:03:29AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they were...
the difference is that FreeBSD is free software.
or is not?
Perhaps you are not familiar with the term analogy.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:49:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS.
I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants
it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic.
exactly...
when is something part of FBSD and when not?
what is base system
~
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:42:32PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
probably that they would create competitors somehow, magically, without
providing any information that directly encourages competition for their
hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support
or simply
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:31:17PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the
same... check if_iwi and its firmware. No other wifi device (that I'm
aware of- at least they'd be in the minority anyway) works this way. The
excuse is fcc regs- I
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable,
and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target
toward which to develop drivers.
prad wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really
idiots) make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less
work.
exactly!
proper advocacy on a 'free' (or
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:28 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure,
and moderation would just set a precedent for it's someone else's
job.
i don't think that has to happen at all.
personally i think self-moderation
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