Date sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:58:17 +1200
From: Nick FitzGerald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is the usual state of The Security Community.
Sorry, I'm havingtrouble parsing that.
This being disagreement or simplicity?
I was thinking more of disagreement, but
Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah to The Security
Community:
The Security Community simply disagrees
This is the usual state of The Security Community.
Sorry, I'm havingtrouble parsing that.
This being disagreement or simplicity?
Regards,
Nick FitzGerald
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:58:17 +1200, Nick FitzGerald said:
This being disagreement or simplicity?
A better boolean operator there might be and, or maybe even xor.
One of them will have a truth table that approximates reality better
than the or operator.
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Date sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:29:02 -0400
From: The Security Community [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://70percenters.googlepages.com/
Good heavens! You mean ... the CSI/FBI survey was never more than an ...
opinion poll? My word! Whoever would have believed it!
(I
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
Not reading the post below, I can tell you the numbers are based on real
research, but it is so old my memory fails me.
The link to this research is all the Security
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
Not reading the post below, I can tell you the numbers are based on real
research, but it is so old my memory fails me.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
Not reading the post below, I can tell you the
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
There is no FBI research to support the 70% Lie. Probably
never has been and never will be. No one can cite the original
research because it doesn't exist. It is myth. It is urban legend.
And how do you expect the FBI to produce data on their research of
active/closed criminal
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:14:52 EDT, Young, Keith said:
There is no FBI research to support the 70% Lie. Probably
never has been and never will be. No one can cite the original
research because it doesn't exist. It is myth. It is urban legend.
And how do you expect the FBI to produce
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:14:52 EDT, Young, Keith said:
I think Verizon Business's recent report (based on over 500 actual data breach
incidents) is fairly credible. I'd certainly believe that insiders racked up
70% or more of the
The issue is not what the number really is. The issue is the FBI
never published it and journalists should stop using it until they can
link to the facts.
Personally, I find rapidly falling oil production in Mexico a much more
compelling issue to be concerned with.
Richard
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Richard M. Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I find rapidly falling oil production in Mexico a much more
compelling issue to be concerned with.
Richard
And yet the 70% Lie goes on... here's another one for the Hall of
Shame, published hours ago...
It's called a meme. They are hard to stop. It's easy to find many other
examples.
Richard
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Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:27 PM
To: Richard M. Smith
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Subject: Re: [funsec] Stop The 70% Lie
On Fri, Jul
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:26:34 EDT, The Security Community said:
And yet the 70% Lie goes on... here's another one for the Hall of
Shame, published hours ago... same claim, no proof... this NEVER
stops...
http://www.itworld.com/opinion/53670/beware-hacker-next-door
Beware the hacker next
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:26:34 EDT, The Security Community said:
And yet the 70% Lie goes on... here's another one for the Hall of
Shame, published hours ago... same claim, no proof... this NEVER
stops...
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:59 EDT, The Security Community said:
If it bothers you *that* much, why don't you drop Calum and/or the ITWorld
editorial staff a note about it?
The comment is at the bottom of the page.
Calum has been inducted into the 70 Percenters Hall of Shame.
see
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:59 EDT, The Security Community said:
On the other hand, it's going to be very hard to fight the 70% are insiders
meme until you find a way to debunk this survey:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:59 EDT, The Security Community said:
The original number is from some research in the 70s.
Then the articles should read According to some research done in the 70s...
But they don't.
FWIW, that
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:59 EDT, The Security Community said:
If it bothers you *that* much, why don't you drop Calum and/or the ITWorld
editorial staff a note about it?
The comment is at the bottom of the page.
Calum has been inducted into the 70 Percenters Hall of Shame.
see
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:22:56 EDT, The Security Community said:
Again, CyberArk != FBI and 47 != 70.
You missed the point - if 47% are doing things that are quite possibly ECPA
offenses, they could *easily* total 70% of *all* the incidents *all by
themselves*.
Assume 5 sysadmins at a company.
Gadi Evron wrote:
The original number is from some research in the 70s.
Yeah. Before the internet :-)
Jeff
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On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:22:56 EDT, The Security Community said:
Again, CyberArk != FBI and 47 != 70.
You missed the point - if 47% are doing things that are quite possibly ECPA
offenses, they could *easily* total 70% of *all* the
Date sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:11:29 -0400
From: The Security Community [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Security Community simply disagrees
This is the usual state of The Security Community.
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http://70percenters.googlepages.com/
The FBI estimates that about 70 percent of all computer security
breaches are perpetrated by insiders.
For years this lie and variations on the same theme have been
spreading through the Internet and the industry press.
Year after year journalists, security
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Subject: [funsec] Stop The 70% Lie
http://70percenters.googlepages.com/
The FBI estimates that about 70 percent of all computer security
breaches are perpetrated by insiders.
For years this lie
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
http://70percenters.googlepages.com/
The FBI estimates that about 70 percent of all computer security
breaches are perpetrated by insiders.
For years this lie and variations on the same theme have been
spreading through the Internet and the
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